WEBVTT 00:00:00.890 --> 00:00:04.220 align:center KAYLA BROWN: This presentation today, this panel, 00:00:04.220 --> 00:00:07.850 align:center is a part of a project called AIICE, 00:00:07.850 --> 00:00:12.410 align:center the Alliance for Identity and Inclusive Computing Education. 00:00:12.410 --> 00:00:15.150 align:center And so I just wanted to give a little background 00:00:15.150 --> 00:00:17.360 align:center so everyone knew. 00:00:17.360 --> 00:00:21.560 align:center AIICE focuses on creating more equitable computing spaces, 00:00:21.560 --> 00:00:24.920 align:center which encourages technology creators from a diverse range 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:28.220 align:center of identities to occupy development and leadership 00:00:28.220 --> 00:00:31.340 align:center positions in order to avoid creating potentially 00:00:31.340 --> 00:00:34.640 align:center discriminatory technologies. 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.950 align:center This is only possible with an investment 00:00:36.950 --> 00:00:38.490 align:center from the entire community. 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:45.170 align:center And so this is an event for us all to come together and talk 00:00:45.170 --> 00:00:49.290 align:center about disability and computing. 00:00:49.290 --> 00:00:51.700 align:center We have an amazing panel today. 00:00:51.700 --> 00:00:57.030 align:center And I just wanted to say that all have access 00:00:57.030 --> 00:00:58.740 align:center to this PowerPoint. 00:00:58.740 --> 00:01:01.810 align:center I will put the link again in the chat. 00:01:01.810 --> 00:01:06.240 align:center So if you're interested, there's more about each panelist 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:10.530 align:center that you can look up. 00:01:10.530 --> 00:01:12.490 align:center And there are also some resources. 00:01:12.490 --> 00:01:16.180 align:center So I just wanted you all to be aware of that 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:23.290 align:center And with that being said, we are going to get started. 00:01:23.290 --> 00:01:27.600 align:center So each of our panelists come from a different background. 00:01:27.600 --> 00:01:31.860 align:center There's a lot of different sets of experiences 00:01:31.860 --> 00:01:35.410 align:center that I am excited for them to share with you all. 00:01:35.410 --> 00:01:40.150 align:center So while you may be from different areas, 00:01:40.150 --> 00:01:43.600 align:center I think it will all complement what we're trying to do here. 00:01:43.600 --> 00:01:48.630 align:center So I'm going to call on each panelist 00:01:48.630 --> 00:01:51.590 align:center to first introduce themselves. 00:01:51.590 --> 00:01:55.580 align:center So if you could tell us your name, 00:01:55.580 --> 00:02:00.400 align:center your pronouns, if you'd like, and where you're from, 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:03.010 align:center what you do-- 00:02:03.010 --> 00:02:05.710 align:center anything that you would want everyone 00:02:05.710 --> 00:02:10.039 align:center to know as a quick introduction. 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.822 align:center So I'm going to start I've got a list here. 00:02:12.822 --> 00:02:14.530 align:center And if you're not ready, you can always-- 00:02:14.530 --> 00:02:16.540 align:center I can always come back to you. 00:02:16.540 --> 00:02:17.710 align:center But I'm going to start. 00:02:17.710 --> 00:02:20.778 align:center Brianna, would you like to introduce yourself? 00:02:20.778 --> 00:02:22.070 align:center BRIANNA WIMER: Yeah, of course. 00:02:22.070 --> 00:02:23.900 align:center I can start us off. 00:02:23.900 --> 00:02:25.325 align:center And so with this introduction, am 00:02:25.325 --> 00:02:27.320 align:center I also giving an overview of my research 00:02:27.320 --> 00:02:29.760 align:center or just introduction to myself? 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:31.610 align:center KAYLA BROWN: You can give a quick overview 00:02:31.610 --> 00:02:33.650 align:center of your background and-- 00:02:33.650 --> 00:02:35.030 align:center yeah, what you're doing. 00:02:35.030 --> 00:02:36.180 align:center BRIANNA WIMER: OK, perfect. 00:02:36.180 --> 00:02:36.680 align:center OK. 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:37.590 align:center Well, hi, everyone. 00:02:37.590 --> 00:02:38.790 align:center My name is Brianna Wimer. 00:02:38.790 --> 00:02:41.120 align:center I'm currently a third-year PhD student 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:43.580 align:center in computer science at the University of Notre Dame. 00:02:43.580 --> 00:02:46.658 align:center I grew up about 40 minutes North of Chicago, Illinois, 00:02:46.658 --> 00:02:48.950 align:center and I received my bachelor's degree in computer science 00:02:48.950 --> 00:02:51.590 align:center from the University of Alabama in 2021. 00:02:51.590 --> 00:02:53.360 align:center And so my research really focuses 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.240 align:center on the intersection of accessibility and information 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:57.143 align:center visualization. 00:02:57.143 --> 00:02:59.060 align:center So right now, I'm really working on how can we 00:02:59.060 --> 00:03:00.920 align:center create accessible representations 00:03:00.920 --> 00:03:03.230 align:center of text-heavy diagrams that are heavily 00:03:03.230 --> 00:03:04.700 align:center reliant on visual aesthetics. 00:03:04.700 --> 00:03:07.550 align:center And these diagrams can include things 00:03:07.550 --> 00:03:10.160 align:center like flow charts, or Gantt charts, and timelines, 00:03:10.160 --> 00:03:13.650 align:center treemaps, mind maps, which are super prevalent in business, 00:03:13.650 --> 00:03:15.240 align:center STEM, and health disciplines. 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:17.180 align:center And so my overall goals are just to provide 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:19.190 align:center people with disabilities better access 00:03:19.190 --> 00:03:22.110 align:center to derive insights from these diagrams for effective decision 00:03:22.110 --> 00:03:24.660 align:center making, but also provide them with the accessible tools 00:03:24.660 --> 00:03:28.190 align:center to create such diagrams ourselves. 00:03:28.190 --> 00:03:31.210 align:center And then so that's me. 00:03:31.210 --> 00:03:32.735 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:03:32.735 --> 00:03:33.235 align:center William? 00:03:36.760 --> 00:03:38.210 align:center WILLIE PAYNE: Hi, everyone. 00:03:38.210 --> 00:03:39.070 align:center I'm Willie. 00:03:39.070 --> 00:03:41.270 align:center I use he/him pronouns. 00:03:41.270 --> 00:03:43.930 align:center I am currently an Assistant Professor 00:03:43.930 --> 00:03:47.950 align:center in the School of Information and Library Science at UNC Chapel 00:03:47.950 --> 00:03:49.330 align:center Hill. 00:03:49.330 --> 00:03:52.335 align:center I teach our UX courses, and I'm teaching 00:03:52.335 --> 00:03:54.710 align:center an accessibility course for the first time this semester. 00:03:57.310 --> 00:04:01.420 align:center I have roots in both arts and computing, 00:04:01.420 --> 00:04:06.370 align:center and that influences a lot of the research that I do. 00:04:06.370 --> 00:04:09.040 align:center And my undergrad at the University of Colorado, 00:04:09.040 --> 00:04:14.620 align:center I was a double major in computer science and music composition 00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:19.630 align:center and basically just got lucky in that, near the end of my time 00:04:19.630 --> 00:04:23.200 align:center there, they hired this amazing accessibility researcher 00:04:23.200 --> 00:04:26.650 align:center named Shaun Kane, who some folks might have heard of. 00:04:26.650 --> 00:04:29.740 align:center So I stuck around and got to study with him. 00:04:29.740 --> 00:04:33.760 align:center And then I did a PhD at NYU in music technology, 00:04:33.760 --> 00:04:39.340 align:center where I worked on a dissertation co-designing music software 00:04:39.340 --> 00:04:41.710 align:center with a community music school that 00:04:41.710 --> 00:04:43.930 align:center teaches blind and visually impaired 00:04:43.930 --> 00:04:47.560 align:center learners of all skill levels and ages. 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:52.378 align:center And that work is still continuing on 00:04:52.378 --> 00:04:53.170 align:center in different forms. 00:04:53.170 --> 00:04:55.480 align:center And I'm happy to share more about it. 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.310 align:center I'm stoked to be in the room, by the way. 00:04:58.310 --> 00:05:01.460 align:center I worked with Lauren at the Ability Project at NYU, 00:05:01.460 --> 00:05:05.210 align:center and I met Brianna more than a year ago in Greece. 00:05:05.210 --> 00:05:06.725 align:center So this is very cool. 00:05:06.725 --> 00:05:09.746 align:center [LAUGHING] 00:05:10.942 --> 00:05:11.900 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:05:11.900 --> 00:05:14.340 align:center I know, a small world. 00:05:14.340 --> 00:05:14.840 align:center All right. 00:05:14.840 --> 00:05:16.277 align:center Lauren? 00:05:16.277 --> 00:05:17.360 align:center LAUREN RACE: Yeah, thanks. 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:18.860 align:center Great to see you, Willie. 00:05:18.860 --> 00:05:21.230 align:center Yeah, Lauren Race-- hi-- she/her. 00:05:21.230 --> 00:05:24.440 align:center So my research is generally at the intersection 00:05:24.440 --> 00:05:26.720 align:center of accessibility and design. 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.050 align:center I've been at the Ability Project for the last five years. 00:05:30.050 --> 00:05:31.970 align:center Willie had mentioned the Ability Project. 00:05:31.970 --> 00:05:34.430 align:center It's a research space dedicated to the intersection 00:05:34.430 --> 00:05:36.240 align:center of technology and disability. 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:37.410 align:center So there. 00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:41.000 align:center I teach a class that I developed called Multi-Sensory Design. 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.390 align:center I also work in industry. 00:05:42.390 --> 00:05:45.710 align:center So I'm currently a Senior Principal Accessibility 00:05:45.710 --> 00:05:46.760 align:center Designer at Oracle. 00:05:46.760 --> 00:05:48.110 align:center And then before that-- 00:05:48.110 --> 00:05:50.180 align:center I'm on the Inclusive Design team, actually. 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:53.510 align:center And then before that, I was a staff accessibility designer 00:05:53.510 --> 00:05:54.950 align:center on the Twitter A11Y team. 00:05:54.950 --> 00:05:56.690 align:center So really excited to be here. 00:05:59.960 --> 00:06:01.030 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:06:01.030 --> 00:06:01.530 align:center Eva? 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:08.620 align:center EVA PEET: Hi, I'm Eva, pronouns she/her. 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:11.290 align:center I work at the Institute for Human-Centered Design 00:06:11.290 --> 00:06:13.660 align:center as an inclusive design researcher. 00:06:13.660 --> 00:06:15.790 align:center We do all kinds of-- different kinds of work, 00:06:15.790 --> 00:06:18.640 align:center like accessibility reviews of websites, 00:06:18.640 --> 00:06:21.970 align:center but also spaces buildings, and user expert 00:06:21.970 --> 00:06:25.790 align:center reviews with people with lived experiences of disabilities. 00:06:25.790 --> 00:06:29.050 align:center But also some participatory action research, which is also 00:06:29.050 --> 00:06:30.490 align:center really an interest of mine. 00:06:30.490 --> 00:06:32.890 align:center Like, how can we bring people into our design process 00:06:32.890 --> 00:06:35.728 align:center and really design together with them? 00:06:35.728 --> 00:06:37.270 align:center And it's also something I'm currently 00:06:37.270 --> 00:06:42.640 align:center writing a paper on that kind of developed from my master's 00:06:42.640 --> 00:06:46.510 align:center thesis, which was about inclusive participatory design 00:06:46.510 --> 00:06:49.510 align:center approaches that are really about including someone 00:06:49.510 --> 00:06:53.080 align:center into your full design process, and not just doing some 00:06:53.080 --> 00:06:54.400 align:center small sessions. 00:06:54.400 --> 00:06:55.850 align:center So yeah, that's me. 00:06:55.850 --> 00:06:59.270 align:center So nice to meet you all. 00:06:59.270 --> 00:07:00.360 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:00.860 align:center Mia? 00:07:03.703 --> 00:07:04.370 align:center MIA HOFFMAN: Hi. 00:07:04.370 --> 00:07:07.560 align:center I'm Mia Hoffman, she/her pronouns. 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.130 align:center I'm a third-year PhD student here 00:07:10.130 --> 00:07:12.380 align:center at the University of Washington. 00:07:12.380 --> 00:07:15.720 align:center And I bridge the gap between mechanical engineering 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.860 align:center and rehabilitation medicine. 00:07:18.860 --> 00:07:21.810 align:center But today, I'm here representing HuskyAdapt 00:07:21.810 --> 00:07:23.900 align:center which is a student organization here 00:07:23.900 --> 00:07:26.450 align:center at the University of Washington that works on accessible 00:07:26.450 --> 00:07:27.930 align:center design in play technology. 00:07:27.930 --> 00:07:30.860 align:center So we provide adaptive toys to the local community, 00:07:30.860 --> 00:07:32.990 align:center and do everything to ranging-- 00:07:32.990 --> 00:07:36.260 align:center to creating user-centered design projects in conjunction 00:07:36.260 --> 00:07:39.000 align:center with experts in the local area. 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:42.830 align:center And then my research focuses on accessible play technology 00:07:42.830 --> 00:07:44.060 align:center for kids five and under. 00:07:44.060 --> 00:07:46.640 align:center So whether that be using things like powered wheelchairs-- 00:07:46.640 --> 00:07:47.810 align:center an Explorer Mini-- 00:07:47.810 --> 00:07:51.710 align:center to co-designing an accessible switch kit 00:07:51.710 --> 00:07:53.675 align:center with families in the local area. 00:07:57.110 --> 00:07:58.300 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:07:58.300 --> 00:07:58.800 align:center Heather? 00:08:00.895 --> 00:08:02.270 align:center HEATHER FELDNER: Hello, everyone. 00:08:02.270 --> 00:08:03.850 align:center My name is Heather Feldner. 00:08:03.850 --> 00:08:09.100 align:center I use she/her pronouns, and I am an Assistant Professor here 00:08:09.100 --> 00:08:12.700 align:center at the University of Washington in Rehabilitation Medicine. 00:08:12.700 --> 00:08:16.270 align:center I'm also on the core faculty of the Disability Studies program 00:08:16.270 --> 00:08:24.220 align:center here and one of the associate directors of an Accessibility 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:28.360 align:center Center on campus called CREATE, which is an acronym for Center 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.210 align:center for Research and Education on Accessible Technology 00:08:31.210 --> 00:08:34.120 align:center and Experiences. 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.850 align:center And I get to work with Mia every day. 00:08:36.850 --> 00:08:39.220 align:center I co-advise her. 00:08:39.220 --> 00:08:41.350 align:center So I also get to work with HuskyADAPT 00:08:41.350 --> 00:08:42.970 align:center as a faculty advisor. 00:08:42.970 --> 00:08:46.600 align:center My research interests really blend. 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:49.630 align:center I have a background in rehabilitation 00:08:49.630 --> 00:08:54.520 align:center and physical therapy, and my PhD was in disability studies. 00:08:54.520 --> 00:08:57.880 align:center And so, really look at the intersection of mobility, 00:08:57.880 --> 00:09:00.910 align:center and disability, and technology. 00:09:00.910 --> 00:09:05.890 align:center And thinking about, from a healthcare perspective, 00:09:05.890 --> 00:09:10.360 align:center not only how can we design accessible and inclusive 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:16.780 align:center spaces, but also technologies to navigate multiple environments. 00:09:16.780 --> 00:09:20.860 align:center And then also, concurrently, how do we 00:09:20.860 --> 00:09:23.230 align:center look at the structures within healthcare 00:09:23.230 --> 00:09:26.350 align:center in terms of reducing ableism and ableist 00:09:26.350 --> 00:09:31.150 align:center practices within healthcare and growing our ability 00:09:31.150 --> 00:09:35.650 align:center to be allies and accomplices in healthcare spaces? 00:09:35.650 --> 00:09:38.410 align:center So kind of bringing a little bit of a different perspective 00:09:38.410 --> 00:09:39.490 align:center to inclusive design. 00:09:39.490 --> 00:09:41.440 align:center But that's the framing for me. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:43.300 align:center And I get to hang out with engineers 00:09:43.300 --> 00:09:46.420 align:center and computer scientists a whole lot, and I love it. 00:09:50.075 --> 00:09:51.200 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you all. 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:54.343 align:center I think everyone has gotten a chance to introduce themselves. 00:09:54.343 --> 00:09:55.760 align:center If I missed someone, I'm so sorry. 00:09:55.760 --> 00:09:58.700 align:center But-- I-- 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:00.860 align:center So, as you've heard from these introductions, 00:10:00.860 --> 00:10:06.440 align:center there's a lot of different expertise and experiences 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:07.830 align:center that people have. 00:10:07.830 --> 00:10:11.030 align:center And so take note as they're talking. 00:10:11.030 --> 00:10:14.060 align:center Because at the end, my goal is to have 00:10:14.060 --> 00:10:17.490 align:center a few minutes for some Q & A. 00:10:17.490 --> 00:10:22.790 align:center But I am first going to have us go around again and talk 00:10:22.790 --> 00:10:24.990 align:center a little bit more in depth about what you do. 00:10:24.990 --> 00:10:28.580 align:center And so I'm going to circle back to Brianna. 00:10:28.580 --> 00:10:33.420 align:center You had mentioned that you're doing some amazing research. 00:10:33.420 --> 00:10:35.270 align:center And I'd love to hear more about that 00:10:35.270 --> 00:10:37.610 align:center and why you chose to do it. 00:10:37.610 --> 00:10:40.818 align:center Why is it important to you? 00:10:40.818 --> 00:10:42.110 align:center BRIANNA WIMER: Yeah, of course. 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:44.140 align:center That's actually-- oh, I love telling 00:10:44.140 --> 00:10:47.020 align:center my little passionate into-- going into accessible 00:10:47.020 --> 00:10:49.030 align:center research story. 00:10:49.030 --> 00:10:52.900 align:center I ended up starting doing research at Alabama freshman 00:10:52.900 --> 00:10:53.690 align:center year of college. 00:10:53.690 --> 00:10:54.720 align:center And I was just like, oh. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.140 align:center Oh, this is cool. 00:10:56.140 --> 00:10:58.550 align:center This isn't the standard way to do things. 00:10:58.550 --> 00:11:00.400 align:center And then from that moment, I always 00:11:00.400 --> 00:11:02.770 align:center knew that I wanted to work in accessibility because-- 00:11:02.770 --> 00:11:04.060 align:center So I have ADHD. 00:11:04.060 --> 00:11:07.240 align:center And then recently, in my PhD, I was diagnosed 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:08.540 align:center with bipolar disorder. 00:11:08.540 --> 00:11:10.420 align:center So I definitely have that internal passion 00:11:10.420 --> 00:11:13.660 align:center of understanding going through school 00:11:13.660 --> 00:11:15.250 align:center and having professors and teachers 00:11:15.250 --> 00:11:17.500 align:center not necessarily know how to cater towards you. 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:19.990 align:center And when they just see the outskirts of like, 00:11:19.990 --> 00:11:23.103 align:center oh, this student doesn't show up, versus, oh, this student 00:11:23.103 --> 00:11:25.270 align:center is going through something, and it's easier for them 00:11:25.270 --> 00:11:26.120 align:center to be home. 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.240 align:center And so that's where my passion kind of lays 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:29.930 align:center into the accessibility world. 00:11:29.930 --> 00:11:32.800 align:center And when I decided to go into my PhD, 00:11:32.800 --> 00:11:35.830 align:center my advisor at Notre Dame, which is Dr. Ron 00:11:35.830 --> 00:11:39.130 align:center Metoyer, his research at the time 00:11:39.130 --> 00:11:41.270 align:center was in information visualization. 00:11:41.270 --> 00:11:43.730 align:center And he knew I wanted to do accessibility, 00:11:43.730 --> 00:11:46.160 align:center and he was so OK with me doing accessibility, too, 00:11:46.160 --> 00:11:47.040 align:center on the side. 00:11:47.040 --> 00:11:50.780 align:center And when I first did-- at first, my paper with him. 00:11:50.780 --> 00:11:53.900 align:center And it was based off of vis principles and everything. 00:11:53.900 --> 00:11:56.450 align:center I kind of just fell in love with the world of vis 00:11:56.450 --> 00:12:01.190 align:center with the 1980s typical papers of how the-- everything was 00:12:01.190 --> 00:12:03.140 align:center built off cognitive psychology. 00:12:03.140 --> 00:12:05.030 align:center And I was like, oh, this is cool. 00:12:05.030 --> 00:12:06.890 align:center However, though, we don't see things 00:12:06.890 --> 00:12:09.770 align:center as accessible representations of data. 00:12:09.770 --> 00:12:12.650 align:center Instead we just see them as visualizations. 00:12:12.650 --> 00:12:16.370 align:center And we just neglect the idea that they were created only 00:12:16.370 --> 00:12:18.590 align:center for people to derive insights from, 00:12:18.590 --> 00:12:22.650 align:center not just to make a visually-pleasing picture 00:12:22.650 --> 00:12:23.900 align:center or a visualization. 00:12:23.900 --> 00:12:26.900 align:center And so that's-- when I kind of found that idea of being able 00:12:26.900 --> 00:12:31.010 align:center to combine the accessibility and the coolness of the information 00:12:31.010 --> 00:12:32.660 align:center visualization, I was like, oh, yeah. 00:12:32.660 --> 00:12:34.100 align:center This is what I want to do. 00:12:34.100 --> 00:12:36.140 align:center And then kind of where I'm at now 00:12:36.140 --> 00:12:38.780 align:center is working with these text-heavy diagrams 00:12:38.780 --> 00:12:41.930 align:center because a lot of the accessible vis space right 00:12:41.930 --> 00:12:45.050 align:center now is essentially looking at very much so 00:12:45.050 --> 00:12:48.080 align:center your typical traditional visualizations like scatter 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:50.930 align:center plots, or line charts, bar charts. 00:12:50.930 --> 00:12:52.370 align:center How can we make those accessible? 00:12:52.370 --> 00:12:55.310 align:center And, again, those are very prominent things, 00:12:55.310 --> 00:12:56.570 align:center and they're used very often. 00:12:56.570 --> 00:12:59.120 align:center However, though, there's just more out there 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.360 align:center in the accessible visualization domain, including diagrams 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.190 align:center and text-heavy diagrams, or things 00:13:04.190 --> 00:13:06.650 align:center that are just very reliant on visual aesthetics. 00:13:06.650 --> 00:13:08.750 align:center And so I'm working on how can we create-- 00:13:08.750 --> 00:13:12.140 align:center not just providing an alternative description 00:13:12.140 --> 00:13:14.111 align:center for people with-- 00:13:14.111 --> 00:13:16.790 align:center who are blind or have low vision, but also how can 00:13:16.790 --> 00:13:19.723 align:center we just make an accessible representation of this data. 00:13:19.723 --> 00:13:21.140 align:center So that somebody with a disability 00:13:21.140 --> 00:13:23.630 align:center can go through and derive the same insights 00:13:23.630 --> 00:13:25.460 align:center that somebody who is non-disabled 00:13:25.460 --> 00:13:27.320 align:center may be able to have just from looking 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:29.060 align:center at the visual aesthetics of a flow. 00:13:29.060 --> 00:13:32.000 align:center And understanding also that it's not just 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.280 align:center catering towards the vision impairments, too, 00:13:34.280 --> 00:13:37.370 align:center but how can you just make this representation 00:13:37.370 --> 00:13:38.670 align:center accessible for everybody. 00:13:38.670 --> 00:13:45.260 align:center And understanding how inaccessible representation 00:13:45.260 --> 00:13:47.930 align:center affects different people with disabilities. 00:13:51.770 --> 00:13:53.020 align:center KAYLA BROWN: That's fantastic. 00:13:53.020 --> 00:13:59.110 align:center And I did want to just plug for you that you were a 2023 Google 00:13:59.110 --> 00:13:59.890 align:center PhD fellow. 00:13:59.890 --> 00:14:03.700 align:center And so, yeah, you've done some really amazing things. 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:07.130 align:center And hopefully we have some time to talk more about that. 00:14:07.130 --> 00:14:07.630 align:center So-- 00:14:07.630 --> 00:14:09.070 align:center BRIANNA WIMER: Thank you. 00:14:09.070 --> 00:14:12.250 align:center KAYLA BROWN: That's-- [LAUGHS] OK. 00:14:12.250 --> 00:14:15.280 align:center So next, I wanted to talk to Willie. 00:14:15.280 --> 00:14:21.680 align:center You-- obviously, many of you on the panel do a lot of things. 00:14:21.680 --> 00:14:24.310 align:center So I am picking and choosing, but feel free 00:14:24.310 --> 00:14:26.590 align:center to share any part of your experience that you want. 00:14:26.590 --> 00:14:30.050 align:center But I was looking through your work. 00:14:30.050 --> 00:14:32.500 align:center And I know that you do a lot about-- 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:36.730 align:center a lot of work with participatory design. 00:14:36.730 --> 00:14:40.400 align:center And I'd love to hear a little bit about your work as a whole 00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:43.540 align:center and what you do, and maybe your thoughts on how 00:14:43.540 --> 00:14:49.370 align:center to advocate for participatory design for other folks. 00:14:49.370 --> 00:14:52.100 align:center WILLIE PAYNE: Yeah, absolutely. 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:56.000 align:center So, to start with the first question, as a whole, 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:57.470 align:center I would say all of the work that I 00:14:57.470 --> 00:15:01.520 align:center do lies at this kind of intersection 00:15:01.520 --> 00:15:04.580 align:center between informal learning. 00:15:04.580 --> 00:15:09.770 align:center So mostly teenagers, but teens and adults 00:15:09.770 --> 00:15:13.790 align:center choosing to find learning opportunities 00:15:13.790 --> 00:15:15.330 align:center in informal environments. 00:15:15.330 --> 00:15:18.230 align:center So, like, outside of schools or universities. 00:15:18.230 --> 00:15:22.670 align:center Creativity-- so environments where people are making things 00:15:22.670 --> 00:15:24.770 align:center that they're excited about. 00:15:24.770 --> 00:15:28.580 align:center And then, of course, accessibility and inclusion. 00:15:28.580 --> 00:15:34.280 align:center And participatory design across all of my work 00:15:34.280 --> 00:15:37.640 align:center is the kind of main engine. 00:15:37.640 --> 00:15:41.510 align:center And as I start beginning to mentor students-- 00:15:41.510 --> 00:15:43.790 align:center I'm a brand new professor-- 00:15:43.790 --> 00:15:48.900 align:center I think that I'm going to try to encourage my students to follow 00:15:48.900 --> 00:15:51.430 align:center a sort of similar pattern. 00:15:51.430 --> 00:15:55.590 align:center So to give an example of that, when, for a variety of reasons, 00:15:55.590 --> 00:16:01.080 align:center I was especially interested in non-visual music interactions 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:04.680 align:center and working with blind and low-vision musicians, 00:16:04.680 --> 00:16:08.310 align:center the first thing that I was encouraged 00:16:08.310 --> 00:16:12.720 align:center to do by my PhD advisor, Professor Amy Hurst, 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.770 align:center was not to go and start making something, 00:16:16.770 --> 00:16:21.790 align:center but to really go and find a relevant population. 00:16:21.790 --> 00:16:24.870 align:center So instead of starting with the design and engineering, 00:16:24.870 --> 00:16:28.020 align:center figuring out who are my collaborators, 00:16:28.020 --> 00:16:30.090 align:center who are my participants. 00:16:30.090 --> 00:16:34.590 align:center And then, from that point on, not 00:16:34.590 --> 00:16:39.720 align:center approach them as, like, I am fancy expert with design skill. 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:43.320 align:center But instead come at it from a place of humility 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:44.980 align:center and wanting to learn. 00:16:44.980 --> 00:16:48.000 align:center And so I was really lucky as a PhD student 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.770 align:center that Professor Hurst sort of gave me permission 00:16:51.770 --> 00:16:55.340 align:center go and find people that I wanted to work with 00:16:55.340 --> 00:16:58.070 align:center and not even worry about research outcomes 00:16:58.070 --> 00:17:02.610 align:center or publications for a long time, but just go and volunteer. 00:17:02.610 --> 00:17:07.609 align:center And so for a major part of my PhD, 00:17:07.609 --> 00:17:09.230 align:center I went to this music school. 00:17:09.230 --> 00:17:12.530 align:center It's called the Filomen M. D'Agostino Greenberg School, 00:17:12.530 --> 00:17:16.040 align:center or FMDG School, in Manhattan. 00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:20.180 align:center And I basically just said, hey, can I learn from you? 00:17:20.180 --> 00:17:21.200 align:center Can I volunteer? 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:22.069 align:center What can I do? 00:17:22.069 --> 00:17:24.500 align:center These are the skills that I have-- 00:17:24.500 --> 00:17:27.170 align:center because I have this music background 00:17:27.170 --> 00:17:28.970 align:center and I knew how to notate music. 00:17:28.970 --> 00:17:31.640 align:center It turned out that they had a really big need 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.710 align:center for just transcription work. 00:17:33.710 --> 00:17:37.880 align:center So for people to copy musical scores into software, 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.190 align:center and then convert it into Braille music. 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:44.750 align:center And so in starting to do that, I could work on that remotely. 00:17:44.750 --> 00:17:46.280 align:center And then from there, I could start 00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:49.190 align:center going in-person, and helping out at concerts, 00:17:49.190 --> 00:17:51.260 align:center and carrying equipment. 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:53.390 align:center And the great thing about all of that-- 00:17:53.390 --> 00:17:57.200 align:center and everybody in the room, I think, will echo this-- 00:17:57.200 --> 00:17:59.600 align:center is that, A, I got to build a lot of trust. 00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:01.760 align:center I got to know the students, and the teachers, 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:03.740 align:center and their family members. 00:18:03.740 --> 00:18:06.470 align:center But, B, I got a really good sense 00:18:06.470 --> 00:18:10.760 align:center of what the actual challenges, and needs, 00:18:10.760 --> 00:18:13.190 align:center and creative ideas were. 00:18:13.190 --> 00:18:16.260 align:center So it wasn't me as an outsider making things up. 00:18:16.260 --> 00:18:18.900 align:center It was really kind of organic and rooted 00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:22.240 align:center in what was going on. 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.450 align:center So I'll sort of stop after that. 00:18:25.450 --> 00:18:27.510 align:center But a lot of that early work with them 00:18:27.510 --> 00:18:31.240 align:center was really in that space around music notation. 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.200 align:center So music notation tends to be super visual. 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:37.950 align:center PDFs of music are just like completely inaccessible, 00:18:37.950 --> 00:18:42.370 align:center and yet that's what publishers sell and what's out there. 00:18:42.370 --> 00:18:45.330 align:center So I did a lot of co-design work with folks 00:18:45.330 --> 00:18:49.590 align:center at the school on accessible notation practices. 00:18:49.590 --> 00:18:52.140 align:center And I would never have come up with that on my own 00:18:52.140 --> 00:18:54.870 align:center without all of that work leading to it. 00:18:58.302 --> 00:18:59.260 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:18:59.260 --> 00:19:02.070 align:center That's such a good example of collaboration 00:19:02.070 --> 00:19:05.320 align:center and, really, learning as you go. 00:19:05.320 --> 00:19:08.380 align:center And so I appreciate you sharing that. 00:19:08.380 --> 00:19:10.230 align:center Thank you. 00:19:10.230 --> 00:19:17.560 align:center Lauren, I know that you are both in academia and in industry. 00:19:17.560 --> 00:19:21.460 align:center So you come with many different perspectives. 00:19:21.460 --> 00:19:26.370 align:center So I'd love for you to elaborate a little bit about what you do. 00:19:26.370 --> 00:19:29.730 align:center And I'm also interested in your perspective 00:19:29.730 --> 00:19:33.030 align:center on multi-sensory and tactile co-design 00:19:33.030 --> 00:19:35.340 align:center that you've worked on. 00:19:35.340 --> 00:19:38.350 align:center So, yeah, feel free to share about, overall, what you do. 00:19:38.350 --> 00:19:42.060 align:center And if you want to share about your co-design methods, 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:43.690 align:center I would love to hear it. 00:19:43.690 --> 00:19:45.570 align:center And I think everyone else would, too. 00:19:45.570 --> 00:19:46.320 align:center LAUREN RACE: Sure. 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:47.230 align:center Thank you so much. 00:19:47.230 --> 00:19:51.000 align:center I think they kind of overlap somehow, oddly enough. 00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:54.030 align:center So I have a kind of crooked path to where I am now. 00:19:54.030 --> 00:19:57.130 align:center I'm not a traditional academic researcher by any means. 00:19:57.130 --> 00:20:00.400 align:center I actually went to art school at Pratt in Brooklyn when-- 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:04.630 align:center years ago-- and had a career for 10 years as an art director 00:20:04.630 --> 00:20:05.410 align:center here in Manhattan. 00:20:05.410 --> 00:20:08.620 align:center I worked at ad agencies, digital agencies. 00:20:08.620 --> 00:20:11.760 align:center And at 10 years in, I was like, you know what? 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:13.900 align:center I'm ready for a change. 00:20:13.900 --> 00:20:16.390 align:center This is focused more on what people will buy. 00:20:16.390 --> 00:20:17.980 align:center I really want to focus on what folks 00:20:17.980 --> 00:20:21.250 align:center are going to use and get to the problem-solution approach 00:20:21.250 --> 00:20:22.460 align:center of my work. 00:20:22.460 --> 00:20:25.960 align:center So I came with this visual design background and I-- 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.570 align:center to pivot in my career, I went to the only place 00:20:28.570 --> 00:20:31.330 align:center I wanted to go to, which was ITP at NYU. 00:20:31.330 --> 00:20:32.890 align:center It was the only school I applied to. 00:20:32.890 --> 00:20:34.307 align:center I was like, if I don't get in, I'm 00:20:34.307 --> 00:20:36.430 align:center just going to keep working in advertising. 00:20:36.430 --> 00:20:38.300 align:center Thank goodness I got in. 00:20:38.300 --> 00:20:42.700 align:center And my first semester, one of my teachers, Tom Igoe, 00:20:42.700 --> 00:20:44.800 align:center who teaches the physical computing course, 00:20:44.800 --> 00:20:49.330 align:center was like, hey, we need to start making our materials to teach 00:20:49.330 --> 00:20:51.260 align:center my class more accessible. 00:20:51.260 --> 00:20:53.860 align:center We have a student who has requested tactile graphics. 00:20:53.860 --> 00:20:55.690 align:center You have a visual design background. 00:20:55.690 --> 00:20:57.580 align:center Hey, why don't you use Illustrator? 00:20:57.580 --> 00:20:59.050 align:center And here's a fusor. 00:20:59.050 --> 00:21:00.520 align:center This is the special paper. 00:21:00.520 --> 00:21:01.780 align:center Why don't you try this out? 00:21:01.780 --> 00:21:06.190 align:center And I printed out a lot of the SVG files 00:21:06.190 --> 00:21:09.280 align:center that we had of schematics that we used to teach the courses. 00:21:09.280 --> 00:21:11.155 align:center And I was like, oh, I'll just print them out, 00:21:11.155 --> 00:21:12.280 align:center put them through the fusor. 00:21:12.280 --> 00:21:13.720 align:center They're going to puff up, and it's 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:15.303 align:center going to be a perfect tactile graphic. 00:21:15.303 --> 00:21:18.910 align:center And, long story short, that did not work at all-- 00:21:18.910 --> 00:21:21.670 align:center for many reasons, if folks are familiar with tactile graphics, 00:21:21.670 --> 00:21:23.530 align:center like there is no Braille labeling. 00:21:23.530 --> 00:21:25.180 align:center All the things are too close together. 00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:26.390 align:center It's way too small. 00:21:26.390 --> 00:21:29.320 align:center And so for me, I was like, oh, I am very 00:21:29.320 --> 00:21:30.790 align:center underdeveloped as a designer. 00:21:30.790 --> 00:21:34.570 align:center There are all these other senses that these visual design 00:21:34.570 --> 00:21:35.560 align:center schools do not cover. 00:21:35.560 --> 00:21:37.893 align:center In fact, they're quite ableist in their approach, right? 00:21:37.893 --> 00:21:39.880 align:center They're only focusing on one sensory modality. 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:41.560 align:center So I was like, whoa. 00:21:41.560 --> 00:21:43.300 align:center Like, a whole new world of design. 00:21:43.300 --> 00:21:45.010 align:center This is amazing. 00:21:45.010 --> 00:21:48.880 align:center And kismet, of course, at the same time Amy Hearst 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.010 align:center was coming into NYU. 00:21:51.010 --> 00:21:53.230 align:center I had this terrible idea for my thesis. 00:21:53.230 --> 00:21:54.460 align:center And she's like, no, no, no. 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:56.050 align:center You're doing the tactile graphics. 00:21:56.050 --> 00:21:57.970 align:center And I was like, I trust you. 00:21:57.970 --> 00:21:59.170 align:center And she was right. 00:21:59.170 --> 00:22:02.380 align:center So lesson learned, always listen to Amy. 00:22:02.380 --> 00:22:05.200 align:center But I ended up doing my thesis called "Tactile Schematics." 00:22:05.200 --> 00:22:08.140 align:center I worked with Chancey Fleet at the Andrew Heiskell Braille 00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:10.390 align:center and Talking Book Library, where I've been volunteering 00:22:10.390 --> 00:22:11.540 align:center for the last five years. 00:22:11.540 --> 00:22:14.000 align:center So I know Willie touched on the idea of community. 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.000 align:center And I feel like a lot of the work that comes out 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.625 align:center of the Ability Project is really rooted 00:22:17.625 --> 00:22:20.320 align:center in boots on the ground, community engagement, 00:22:20.320 --> 00:22:22.570 align:center partnership, co-design. 00:22:22.570 --> 00:22:25.150 align:center And I learned everything through working with her, 00:22:25.150 --> 00:22:26.410 align:center working with Amy. 00:22:26.410 --> 00:22:29.770 align:center And then when I ended a fellowship, I was like, 00:22:29.770 --> 00:22:31.450 align:center oh my gosh, I need to find a job. 00:22:31.450 --> 00:22:32.260 align:center [LAUGHING] 00:22:32.260 --> 00:22:34.390 align:center Because I was like, I don't know if I 00:22:34.390 --> 00:22:36.490 align:center can find anyone that will pay me to make 00:22:36.490 --> 00:22:37.910 align:center tactile graphics for them. 00:22:37.910 --> 00:22:41.740 align:center So that's when I started down this like digital A11Y path. 00:22:41.740 --> 00:22:43.800 align:center So I kind of call it my side hustle. 00:22:43.800 --> 00:22:44.830 align:center I love it. 00:22:44.830 --> 00:22:47.150 align:center I'm learning new things every day. 00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:50.380 align:center I started out at Twitter when they had an accessibility team. 00:22:50.380 --> 00:22:52.570 align:center That was very fun for two years. 00:22:52.570 --> 00:22:53.830 align:center I learned so much. 00:22:53.830 --> 00:22:56.050 align:center They were really a lovely group of folks. 00:22:56.050 --> 00:22:59.230 align:center We had great disability representation on the team. 00:22:59.230 --> 00:23:02.110 align:center And now I'm at Oracle, and I'm learning 00:23:02.110 --> 00:23:04.210 align:center a lot about technical conformance, 00:23:04.210 --> 00:23:06.530 align:center and audits, and all great stuff. 00:23:06.530 --> 00:23:11.180 align:center And so, yeah, it kind of all layers on top of each other. 00:23:11.180 --> 00:23:13.457 align:center And now I stuck around at the Ability Project, 00:23:13.457 --> 00:23:15.790 align:center and I teach this class called Multi-Sensory Design, kind 00:23:15.790 --> 00:23:18.500 align:center of coming out of this experience I had with my thesis, 00:23:18.500 --> 00:23:21.770 align:center which is, whoa, we live in this very visual world. 00:23:21.770 --> 00:23:23.740 align:center And there's this whole part of design 00:23:23.740 --> 00:23:25.040 align:center that is so underdeveloped. 00:23:25.040 --> 00:23:28.485 align:center So I like to keep my feet in both parties, academia 00:23:28.485 --> 00:23:30.985 align:center and industry, because I think they really inform each other. 00:23:34.790 --> 00:23:36.440 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you so much. 00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:40.070 align:center And Chancey was going to be on the panel-- 00:23:40.070 --> 00:23:41.030 align:center sends her regards. 00:23:41.030 --> 00:23:44.810 align:center But I'm going to put her information in the PowerPoint 00:23:44.810 --> 00:23:46.550 align:center so you can all learn a little bit more 00:23:46.550 --> 00:23:50.150 align:center about the assistive tech work that she does. 00:23:50.150 --> 00:23:51.180 align:center Great. 00:23:51.180 --> 00:23:57.830 align:center Eva, you have done some amazing inclusive design research. 00:23:57.830 --> 00:24:02.210 align:center And I, again, am really interested in this idea 00:24:02.210 --> 00:24:04.952 align:center of inclusive and participatory design. 00:24:04.952 --> 00:24:06.410 align:center And so I was wondering if you could 00:24:06.410 --> 00:24:08.660 align:center touch a little bit on that? 00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:12.530 align:center Because, as we know, sometimes design spaces-- 00:24:12.530 --> 00:24:17.690 align:center they make assumptions about what their users or the end result 00:24:17.690 --> 00:24:18.360 align:center might want. 00:24:18.360 --> 00:24:22.430 align:center So if you could talk a little bit about what you do, 00:24:22.430 --> 00:24:26.418 align:center and maybe touch on some participatory design takeaways 00:24:26.418 --> 00:24:28.460 align:center you'd want for the audience, that would be great. 00:24:30.885 --> 00:24:31.760 align:center EVA PEET: Sure, sure. 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:33.120 align:center Thank you so much. 00:24:33.120 --> 00:24:36.860 align:center Yeah, it was so interesting to hear all of this to start off. 00:24:36.860 --> 00:24:39.410 align:center I also liked Whitney's insight on participatory design-- 00:24:39.410 --> 00:24:41.480 align:center some things I definitely recognize 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.390 align:center from what I've experienced. 00:24:44.390 --> 00:24:47.327 align:center I mean, I just feel like designers are not 00:24:47.327 --> 00:24:49.910 align:center as aware as they should be about the role that they're playing 00:24:49.910 --> 00:24:54.230 align:center in creating our world and making it more or less just, 00:24:54.230 --> 00:24:57.710 align:center or accessible, or democratic even. 00:24:57.710 --> 00:25:00.230 align:center And I'm really fascinated by the idea 00:25:00.230 --> 00:25:02.660 align:center of making design more democratic, 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:05.970 align:center in a way, because I feel like we value democracy so much, 00:25:05.970 --> 00:25:06.470 align:center of course. 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:09.830 align:center But in the things we create, often people don't really 00:25:09.830 --> 00:25:11.930 align:center have a say in that while they should, 00:25:11.930 --> 00:25:15.230 align:center because it's going to really impact our lives. 00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:18.050 align:center So yeah, that's where my passion for participatory design 00:25:18.050 --> 00:25:21.140 align:center comes from, and it's definitely a challenge. 00:25:21.140 --> 00:25:23.880 align:center Some of the things that I've experienced, for example, 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:26.178 align:center it can be tricky to-- 00:25:26.178 --> 00:25:28.220 align:center of course you want people in your design process. 00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:33.390 align:center But you are using a lot of jargon and design vocabulary. 00:25:33.390 --> 00:25:35.850 align:center And you have specific design activities, 00:25:35.850 --> 00:25:37.950 align:center and you use words like analogies, 00:25:37.950 --> 00:25:38.920 align:center and things like that. 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:40.840 align:center And it's not accessible at all. 00:25:40.840 --> 00:25:42.900 align:center It's really confusing for a lot of people, 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:46.320 align:center and for a lot of designers even, too, sometimes. 00:25:46.320 --> 00:25:49.620 align:center So for me, it has been sometimes challenging, 00:25:49.620 --> 00:25:52.890 align:center like how to translate something that I'm designing in 00:25:52.890 --> 00:25:55.830 align:center like my process, and translate that to everyday activities 00:25:55.830 --> 00:25:56.980 align:center that people can relate to. 00:25:56.980 --> 00:25:58.960 align:center So they can participate in a meaningful way, 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:00.870 align:center and they don't have to pretend to be 00:26:00.870 --> 00:26:02.700 align:center a designer, which they're not. 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:03.450 align:center But that's good. 00:26:03.450 --> 00:26:05.820 align:center They're like super experts of their experience, 00:26:05.820 --> 00:26:08.440 align:center and they have so much valuable insights to bring into that. 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.410 align:center So I feel like you should really empower 00:26:10.410 --> 00:26:14.140 align:center them to play that role in your design process. 00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:18.060 align:center So, for example, at some point I was using this design approach 00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:20.580 align:center that was super abstract and high-level because I 00:26:20.580 --> 00:26:24.600 align:center was creating this strategy for participation in the energy 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:25.750 align:center transition. 00:26:25.750 --> 00:26:29.910 align:center And then, well, it was like, oh, yeah, I should have analogies. 00:26:29.910 --> 00:26:31.650 align:center And from that, I'm going to create ideas. 00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:33.720 align:center And it's going to be great like that. 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.070 align:center But yeah, analogies are tricky to work with. 00:26:36.070 --> 00:26:38.340 align:center So in the end, what we did was we 00:26:38.340 --> 00:26:40.380 align:center let people brainstorm and think about ideas-- 00:26:40.380 --> 00:26:42.540 align:center what would work in their context, in their lives, 00:26:42.540 --> 00:26:44.550 align:center and really help them relate it to that. 00:26:44.550 --> 00:26:47.410 align:center And we reverse engineered analogies from that. 00:26:47.410 --> 00:26:50.340 align:center And then in the end, going back and forth, 00:26:50.340 --> 00:26:52.202 align:center I think that is kind of the challenge 00:26:52.202 --> 00:26:53.160 align:center that we're having here. 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.420 align:center But it's super interesting. 00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:58.440 align:center Like, how can you maybe even redesign your design process, 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:01.380 align:center and make the process itself more accessible and more 00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.740 align:center interesting for you, quite frankly, as well? 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:06.520 align:center But, yeah, it can be a challenge. 00:27:06.520 --> 00:27:08.520 align:center And I think it's also really important 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:10.800 align:center to think about how can we involve people 00:27:10.800 --> 00:27:14.880 align:center beyond just testing what we came up with, And, like, 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.380 align:center really allow them to be involved all the way through-- like, 00:27:17.380 --> 00:27:18.580 align:center from beginning to end. 00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:21.010 align:center And give them a say, too, in where we're 00:27:21.010 --> 00:27:22.840 align:center going with our design process. 00:27:22.840 --> 00:27:24.980 align:center And, like, letting go a bit of control, 00:27:24.980 --> 00:27:26.390 align:center which can be tricky and hard. 00:27:26.390 --> 00:27:27.400 align:center I guess, for designers. 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:28.518 align:center Because-- I don't know. 00:27:28.518 --> 00:27:31.060 align:center What you're designing can become a little bit like your baby, 00:27:31.060 --> 00:27:31.560 align:center right? 00:27:31.560 --> 00:27:33.790 align:center So it's something you really care about, 00:27:33.790 --> 00:27:35.138 align:center and you thought a lot about. 00:27:35.138 --> 00:27:36.430 align:center You put a lot of thought in it. 00:27:36.430 --> 00:27:39.223 align:center But yeah, I think sharing that with other people, in the end, 00:27:39.223 --> 00:27:41.140 align:center is going to be really great for the end result 00:27:41.140 --> 00:27:43.330 align:center and really interesting, too. 00:27:43.330 --> 00:27:45.220 align:center And then another thing I wanted to share 00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:48.550 align:center is that I think the experience of being 00:27:48.550 --> 00:27:50.290 align:center a participant in a design process 00:27:50.290 --> 00:27:52.690 align:center can be really valuable for people in itself 00:27:52.690 --> 00:27:55.480 align:center already because it makes people feel listened to. 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.030 align:center And maybe at first it-- be a little bit hesitant. 00:27:58.030 --> 00:28:02.380 align:center Like, what could I like share value for a designer? 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:03.310 align:center I don't know. 00:28:03.310 --> 00:28:05.290 align:center Maybe I struggle with certain things, 00:28:05.290 --> 00:28:06.785 align:center but maybe that's just me. 00:28:06.785 --> 00:28:09.160 align:center So I think that's also really interesting-- like, how can 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:12.550 align:center we really empower people to feel that they have something really 00:28:12.550 --> 00:28:15.860 align:center important to tell us that we can really learn from and take 00:28:15.860 --> 00:28:18.950 align:center with us So they really feel that they can be critical. 00:28:18.950 --> 00:28:21.230 align:center And they're experts, in a way. 00:28:21.230 --> 00:28:24.110 align:center So yeah, I think all-in-all, it's 00:28:24.110 --> 00:28:25.670 align:center super interesting and challenging. 00:28:25.670 --> 00:28:27.770 align:center But I feel like with new technologies, 00:28:27.770 --> 00:28:31.610 align:center there are continuously new opportunities emerging. 00:28:31.610 --> 00:28:33.200 align:center And it should be just like a dialogue. 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:34.850 align:center Like, how can we get people involved? 00:28:34.850 --> 00:28:37.380 align:center And that in itself should be participatory, in a way, 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:37.880 align:center as well. 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:39.650 align:center Like, how do people want to be involved? 00:28:39.650 --> 00:28:41.900 align:center And how can we make it interesting for them 00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:44.600 align:center and valuable, and-- yeah, keep that conversation, 00:28:44.600 --> 00:28:45.680 align:center that dialogue going? 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:47.970 align:center So yeah, I'll just leave it at that. 00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:50.840 align:center But yeah, it's something I'm really interested in. 00:28:50.840 --> 00:28:52.860 align:center Yeah. 00:28:52.860 --> 00:28:53.850 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you. 00:28:53.850 --> 00:28:55.140 align:center Yeah, I was-- 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:56.790 align:center I think it was your bio that I was 00:28:56.790 --> 00:29:03.900 align:center reading on the Institute for Human-Centered Design website. 00:29:03.900 --> 00:29:06.930 align:center And one thing that you said in it 00:29:06.930 --> 00:29:11.220 align:center was that you like to balance technical skills with empathy. 00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:15.660 align:center And so I thought that was a really good way of saying it. 00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:17.490 align:center So thank you for sharing that. 00:29:20.010 --> 00:29:24.120 align:center Mia, I am really glad that you were 00:29:24.120 --> 00:29:27.810 align:center able to come not only representing HuskyADAPT, 00:29:27.810 --> 00:29:30.150 align:center but representing yourself. 00:29:30.150 --> 00:29:33.750 align:center I would love to hear a little bit about your research, 00:29:33.750 --> 00:29:36.420 align:center what you're doing, and also if you could 00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:38.730 align:center talk a little bit about HuskyADAPT 00:29:38.730 --> 00:29:43.830 align:center and what impact you think it's had on the U-Dub campus. 00:29:47.260 --> 00:29:51.510 align:center MIA HOFFMAN: So my research, I-- 00:29:51.510 --> 00:29:55.410 align:center my research kind of spans supporting kids 00:29:55.410 --> 00:29:58.052 align:center and meeting with them where they're at to support play 00:29:58.052 --> 00:29:59.010 align:center and exploration, right? 00:29:59.010 --> 00:30:02.580 align:center That's the most critical thing for a little kid, 00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:05.550 align:center is playing with their siblings, playing with their family, 00:30:05.550 --> 00:30:07.030 align:center exploring the world around them. 00:30:07.030 --> 00:30:09.450 align:center So whether that-- and we have to figure out 00:30:09.450 --> 00:30:11.850 align:center how technology supports that. 00:30:11.850 --> 00:30:13.350 align:center For a lot of kids with disabilities, 00:30:13.350 --> 00:30:17.220 align:center that's denied right now by insurance. 00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:21.540 align:center Companies don't want to work there right now because it's 00:30:21.540 --> 00:30:23.970 align:center not a big market, right? 00:30:23.970 --> 00:30:25.080 align:center So a lot of-- 00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:27.570 align:center so then it's kind of gone to the maker community of, 00:30:27.570 --> 00:30:31.650 align:center how do we make things accessible through low-cost things? 00:30:31.650 --> 00:30:34.710 align:center So Go Baby Go is a wonderful organization 00:30:34.710 --> 00:30:37.620 align:center that Heather is very involved with, as well, 00:30:37.620 --> 00:30:39.600 align:center where we provide-- where we adapt 00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.880 align:center off-the-shelf ride-on cars, just like those Jeeps used 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.088 align:center to drive around the backyard. 00:30:43.088 --> 00:30:44.850 align:center We adapt those to make them accessible 00:30:44.850 --> 00:30:48.930 align:center using PVC, kickboards, pool noodles, all the works, 00:30:48.930 --> 00:30:51.150 align:center and do a little bit of electrical wiring 00:30:51.150 --> 00:30:53.520 align:center to make them switch-accessible. 00:30:53.520 --> 00:30:57.420 align:center Similarly, HuskyADAPT, we do a lot of toy adaptations, right? 00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:01.500 align:center So all those toys you go and buy at Target, 00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:02.640 align:center they're not accessible. 00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:05.400 align:center They have small buttons. 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:08.490 align:center But for $0.25, we can make them accessible by putting 00:31:08.490 --> 00:31:12.090 align:center an audio jack in parallel with some of the buttons on the toy. 00:31:12.090 --> 00:31:16.200 align:center So what that takes is a team of two or three volunteers 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.400 align:center two hours to do. 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.090 align:center Someday I dream that it'll be involved into-- 00:31:21.090 --> 00:31:23.820 align:center Fisher-Price will finally just integrate it 00:31:23.820 --> 00:31:25.027 align:center into their devices, right? 00:31:25.027 --> 00:31:27.360 align:center We thought we were getting there with a couple companies 00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:29.160 align:center that we know. 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.690 align:center But until that day, it's just going 00:31:30.690 --> 00:31:33.780 align:center to be the maker community that's doing this. 00:31:33.780 --> 00:31:36.600 align:center So my work kind of spans on how can we 00:31:36.600 --> 00:31:40.230 align:center both leverage commercial options that are affordable 00:31:40.230 --> 00:31:42.570 align:center and do some of the work that gets them maybe 00:31:42.570 --> 00:31:49.110 align:center covered by insurance, ensuring that they're ethical, 00:31:49.110 --> 00:31:51.930 align:center they're useful for the families, and that they're actually using 00:31:51.930 --> 00:31:54.060 align:center them and benefiting the kids. 00:31:54.060 --> 00:31:57.180 align:center But also saying, how can we support the maker movement 00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:00.900 align:center in filling this gap that isn't really being filled? 00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:03.450 align:center So we're creating a switch-accessible kit 00:32:03.450 --> 00:32:08.490 align:center right now that I see as the Go Baby Go of the 2020s, right? 00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:12.270 align:center There's a lot of iPad children out there. 00:32:12.270 --> 00:32:15.900 align:center Kids with disabilities should also be iPad children. 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:17.460 align:center So we're kind of creating, basically, 00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:20.370 align:center an input device similar to the ones that Microsoft has, 00:32:20.370 --> 00:32:21.630 align:center but just a plug and play. 00:32:21.630 --> 00:32:24.240 align:center It works on any device. 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.810 align:center And it works with six switch inputs. 00:32:25.810 --> 00:32:27.060 align:center You can use it with your iPad. 00:32:27.060 --> 00:32:28.435 align:center You can use it with your computer 00:32:28.435 --> 00:32:30.690 align:center to play basic computer games. 00:32:30.690 --> 00:32:33.330 align:center But the really cool thing about getting computer access 00:32:33.330 --> 00:32:35.080 align:center is then you can use things like Scratch, 00:32:35.080 --> 00:32:39.240 align:center which is an open source block coding language that's really 00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.390 align:center designed for kids to play with. 00:32:42.390 --> 00:32:45.480 align:center And creating anything from really simple cause and effect 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.392 align:center animations to games that they can play with siblings 00:32:48.392 --> 00:32:49.350 align:center and family and friends. 00:32:49.350 --> 00:32:53.130 align:center So it's kind of-- bridging that digital divide is a big part 00:32:53.130 --> 00:32:54.930 align:center of my research right now. 00:32:54.930 --> 00:32:57.270 align:center And that's been really fun because that project's really 00:32:57.270 --> 00:33:01.380 align:center started with families and clinicians in the area. 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:04.200 align:center And it's going back there, and then 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.770 align:center hopefully bringing it around the country for the next goal. 00:33:10.503 --> 00:33:12.170 align:center KAYLA BROWN: I really encourage everyone 00:33:12.170 --> 00:33:15.830 align:center to check out the HuskyADAPT website 00:33:15.830 --> 00:33:19.370 align:center and look at some of those projects that are linked there. 00:33:19.370 --> 00:33:23.420 align:center It's in the PowerPoint that I'll share again at the end. 00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:26.810 align:center They're really fun, and it's a lot of great work. 00:33:26.810 --> 00:33:34.000 align:center So, Heather, you wear a lot of hats, 00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:36.250 align:center and you've done a lot of things. 00:33:36.250 --> 00:33:40.360 align:center But you have a disability studies background. 00:33:40.360 --> 00:33:43.720 align:center And I wondered if you could talk a little bit about how 00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:45.460 align:center that impacts your work. 00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.360 align:center And also, if you want to plug the CREATE Center, 00:33:49.360 --> 00:33:50.380 align:center feel free to do that. 00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:53.740 align:center Because you all are doing great things there. 00:33:53.740 --> 00:33:55.400 align:center So, yeah. 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.010 align:center HEATHER FELDNER: Yeah, absolutely. 00:33:57.010 --> 00:34:02.290 align:center So I spent probably 13 years full time 00:34:02.290 --> 00:34:05.890 align:center in clinical settings as a physical therapist, 00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:11.679 align:center primarily in pediatrics, and thought 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.570 align:center I knew a bit about disability-- worked 00:34:13.570 --> 00:34:15.760 align:center a lot with kids and families. 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.320 align:center It was well before I identified as disabled myself. 00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.800 align:center And I worked a lot with technology 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:29.170 align:center at that point from a clinical standpoint and did-- 00:34:29.170 --> 00:34:31.330 align:center kind of saw some of the challenges, 00:34:31.330 --> 00:34:35.320 align:center in terms of the system for accessing 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.250 align:center appropriately-designed technology. 00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:44.710 align:center Especially for really young kids, just did not-- 00:34:44.710 --> 00:34:47.110 align:center see, there was not many options. 00:34:47.110 --> 00:34:49.870 align:center Folks didn't believe that young kids needed 00:34:49.870 --> 00:34:53.020 align:center to move on their own and explore the world, whether that 00:34:53.020 --> 00:34:57.160 align:center was with wheels, or with a gait trainer, or whatever. 00:34:57.160 --> 00:34:59.200 align:center And so definitely kind of saw-- like, 00:34:59.200 --> 00:35:01.540 align:center was always interested in a design-- 00:35:01.540 --> 00:35:04.030 align:center in the design component from that standpoint, 00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:10.630 align:center and about actually trying to promote more designs 00:35:10.630 --> 00:35:14.740 align:center for younger disabled folks. 00:35:14.740 --> 00:35:18.520 align:center And then when I went back for my PhD, 00:35:18.520 --> 00:35:20.200 align:center I chose disability studies. 00:35:20.200 --> 00:35:25.150 align:center And I'm so grateful that I did because it kind of blew my mind 00:35:25.150 --> 00:35:28.580 align:center in the sense of, oh, I-- 00:35:28.580 --> 00:35:30.892 align:center again, I didn't identify as disabled at that time. 00:35:30.892 --> 00:35:32.850 align:center So I didn't have any personal lived experience. 00:35:32.850 --> 00:35:35.510 align:center And so it was this amazing opportunity 00:35:35.510 --> 00:35:39.470 align:center to really check my own biases and understand 00:35:39.470 --> 00:35:42.680 align:center this idea of lived expertise in a way 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:47.030 align:center that I couldn't fully engage with when 00:35:47.030 --> 00:35:48.620 align:center I was a therapist, right? 00:35:48.620 --> 00:35:55.730 align:center And so that was just an awesome and very humbling experience-- 00:35:55.730 --> 00:36:01.610 align:center and just learned so much, and just really embraced 00:36:01.610 --> 00:36:06.380 align:center the tensions that are kind of inherent in a somewhat 00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:09.680 align:center traditional medical model background that I was 00:36:09.680 --> 00:36:11.830 align:center originally trained in wi-- 00:36:11.830 --> 00:36:15.740 align:center compared to this social model. 00:36:15.740 --> 00:36:19.550 align:center And for me in particular, more of a relational model 00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:24.320 align:center of looking at disability as a natural part of human diversity 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.240 align:center as something that's to be celebrated. 00:36:26.240 --> 00:36:31.340 align:center And that our designs and our technology charges 00:36:31.340 --> 00:36:37.350 align:center have to be inclusive from that kind of empowerment standpoint, 00:36:37.350 --> 00:36:37.850 align:center right? 00:36:37.850 --> 00:36:41.430 align:center It's not a fix for something that's broken. 00:36:41.430 --> 00:36:46.940 align:center It's not-- we're not augmenting for a deficit, 00:36:46.940 --> 00:36:48.190 align:center right-- from that perspective. 00:36:48.190 --> 00:36:50.530 align:center We're meeting people where they're at, 00:36:50.530 --> 00:36:55.060 align:center and understanding that everybody has needs and none of them 00:36:55.060 --> 00:36:57.580 align:center are considered special, right? 00:36:57.580 --> 00:36:59.380 align:center They're just needs-- human needs. 00:36:59.380 --> 00:37:01.540 align:center And we're all variable, right? 00:37:01.540 --> 00:37:04.570 align:center And so that was just so great, to be 00:37:04.570 --> 00:37:08.050 align:center able to sit with that tension and interact with that tension 00:37:08.050 --> 00:37:09.350 align:center in the work that I did. 00:37:09.350 --> 00:37:11.560 align:center And so, from a research standpoint, 00:37:11.560 --> 00:37:15.220 align:center I stayed very much involved in technology, design, 00:37:15.220 --> 00:37:19.100 align:center and implementation, especially related to mobility. 00:37:19.100 --> 00:37:24.670 align:center But I did so from that disability studies relational 00:37:24.670 --> 00:37:25.580 align:center perspective. 00:37:25.580 --> 00:37:29.290 align:center And so I wound up using a lot of participatory action research 00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:34.930 align:center methodology in my work, really getting kids, and families, 00:37:34.930 --> 00:37:41.650 align:center and adults who use mobility technology kind of positioned 00:37:41.650 --> 00:37:43.150 align:center as the experts, right? 00:37:43.150 --> 00:37:48.850 align:center And just kind of was really able to-- there's not 00:37:48.850 --> 00:37:51.760 align:center a ton of that type of methodology in rehabilitation 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:52.610 align:center research right now. 00:37:52.610 --> 00:37:56.650 align:center And so to be able to start to open that conversation, 00:37:56.650 --> 00:38:04.000 align:center and to be able to talk about the ways in which our systems are 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.590 align:center set up to be ableist, and what that actually means. 00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:12.220 align:center And kind of amplifying voices and experiences 00:38:12.220 --> 00:38:20.260 align:center from folks who have that lived experience, that was really-- 00:38:20.260 --> 00:38:21.820 align:center it was just an awesome-- 00:38:21.820 --> 00:38:24.970 align:center I just am very grateful that I kind of came across that path, 00:38:24.970 --> 00:38:27.430 align:center and was able to really reconstruct 00:38:27.430 --> 00:38:34.600 align:center in my own mind the way that I thought about disability 00:38:34.600 --> 00:38:36.885 align:center and I thought about technology, and inclusivity, 00:38:36.885 --> 00:38:37.760 align:center and things like that. 00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:44.470 align:center And so it's been really great to use that background. 00:38:44.470 --> 00:38:47.815 align:center And it's like once you're there, you don't go back, right? 00:38:47.815 --> 00:38:48.440 align:center You don't ever. 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.870 align:center I had one of my faculty-- 00:38:50.870 --> 00:38:54.440 align:center or one of my professors in my PhD, 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:59.030 align:center Jim Charlton, who wrote the book Nothing About Us Without Us, 00:38:59.030 --> 00:39:04.910 align:center he showed us the movie The Matrix early on in our studies. 00:39:04.910 --> 00:39:08.532 align:center And he made a big deal about when you can take the blue pill 00:39:08.532 --> 00:39:09.740 align:center or you can take the red pill. 00:39:09.740 --> 00:39:11.270 align:center And if you take the blue pill, you go down 00:39:11.270 --> 00:39:13.437 align:center and you learn the truth, but you don't ever go back. 00:39:13.437 --> 00:39:16.978 align:center And you can't unsee that, or unhear that, or unfeel that. 00:39:16.978 --> 00:39:18.770 align:center But if you take the red pill, then you just 00:39:18.770 --> 00:39:20.240 align:center go back to status quo. 00:39:20.240 --> 00:39:22.160 align:center And it's really true. 00:39:22.160 --> 00:39:26.420 align:center Like, I love thinking about-- 00:39:26.420 --> 00:39:27.890 align:center I mean, disability studies is just 00:39:27.890 --> 00:39:31.430 align:center infused in everything I do now, regardless of whether that's 00:39:31.430 --> 00:39:35.630 align:center more rehab-focused or more ableism in healthcare-focused, 00:39:35.630 --> 00:39:38.300 align:center or even teaching. 00:39:38.300 --> 00:39:39.930 align:center That's always there now. 00:39:39.930 --> 00:39:42.230 align:center And so I'm very, very grateful for the field, 00:39:42.230 --> 00:39:44.090 align:center and to be a part of that field. 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:45.840 align:center And it comes through in CREATE, too. 00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:51.310 align:center And so CREATE is made up of a lot of different faculty 00:39:51.310 --> 00:39:52.990 align:center at University of Washington that had all 00:39:52.990 --> 00:39:57.430 align:center been doing accessibility research in various ways. 00:39:57.430 --> 00:39:58.990 align:center And it's very interdisciplinary. 00:39:58.990 --> 00:40:01.000 align:center So we've got human-centered design folks. 00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:05.230 align:center We've got mechanical engineering folks, electrical engineering, 00:40:05.230 --> 00:40:09.190 align:center Information School, rehab medicine. 00:40:09.190 --> 00:40:15.010 align:center And it is just a really cool way to start forming connections 00:40:15.010 --> 00:40:17.488 align:center that I, as a rehab-- 00:40:17.488 --> 00:40:19.780 align:center somebody with a rehab and disability studies background 00:40:19.780 --> 00:40:23.320 align:center can now collaborate with somebody in computer science 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:27.320 align:center on a sidewalk accessibility project, for example. 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.990 align:center So it's this really cool blend that we 00:40:29.990 --> 00:40:35.750 align:center were all kind of doing great work individually. 00:40:35.750 --> 00:40:39.130 align:center And now we have the center that we can form new collaborations 00:40:39.130 --> 00:40:41.770 align:center and start to think about new possibilities, 00:40:41.770 --> 00:40:44.200 align:center again, with this kind of overarching disability studies 00:40:44.200 --> 00:40:46.630 align:center perspective, which I just-- is just so valuable. 00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:51.900 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Thank you so much. 00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:55.610 align:center Yeah, some of your work was the first time 00:40:55.610 --> 00:40:59.510 align:center that I had ever seen disability studies applied to-- explicitly 00:40:59.510 --> 00:41:01.440 align:center to a healthcare setting. 00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:06.860 align:center And so that really influenced where 00:41:06.860 --> 00:41:10.550 align:center I went with my academic career, as well. 00:41:10.550 --> 00:41:11.660 align:center So thank you all. 00:41:11.660 --> 00:41:16.550 align:center As you can tell, everybody has very different but also similar 00:41:16.550 --> 00:41:20.030 align:center kind of philosophies on work and what they do. 00:41:20.030 --> 00:41:26.330 align:center So I'd really like to open it up to the audience for questions. 00:41:26.330 --> 00:41:29.370 align:center If you have a question, you can put it in the chat, 00:41:29.370 --> 00:41:32.570 align:center you can raise your hand, or you can just unmute yourself 00:41:32.570 --> 00:41:35.120 align:center and say it out loud. 00:41:35.120 --> 00:41:38.540 align:center So I really encourage any of you who 00:41:38.540 --> 00:41:41.060 align:center have questions for any of the panelists to go ahead 00:41:41.060 --> 00:41:41.975 align:center and do so. 00:41:52.200 --> 00:41:54.660 align:center Sometimes I give a minute because people might be typing. 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.970 align:center BRIANNA BLASER: I have a question, Kayla. 00:42:04.970 --> 00:42:06.900 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Yeah, go for it. 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:09.110 align:center BRIANNA BLASER: I feel like sometimes we see folks-- 00:42:09.110 --> 00:42:12.050 align:center I don't know, particularly folks just 00:42:12.050 --> 00:42:14.090 align:center getting interested in something related 00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:17.090 align:center to disability and accessibility-- who maybe don't 00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:20.630 align:center go about it in quite the right way 00:42:20.630 --> 00:42:22.840 align:center and don't involve people with disabilities. 00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.340 align:center So for somebody who's starting to have an interest but isn't 00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:27.680 align:center really engaged with the disability community, 00:42:27.680 --> 00:42:29.225 align:center what advice would you give them? 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.105 align:center KAYLA BROWN: And anyone on the panel can jump in on these. 00:42:41.730 --> 00:42:44.260 align:center LAUREN RACE: I think I can at least try to help here. 00:42:44.260 --> 00:42:47.580 align:center I think starting-- I tell my students, start reading. 00:42:47.580 --> 00:42:51.390 align:center If you're not ready to volunteer, or start to partner 00:42:51.390 --> 00:42:54.870 align:center with community members, or get involved, you can read memoirs. 00:42:54.870 --> 00:42:57.180 align:center You can read books on disability justice. 00:42:57.180 --> 00:43:01.030 align:center You can watch movies and documentaries on it. 00:43:01.030 --> 00:43:05.010 align:center I tell them to start there just because I 00:43:05.010 --> 00:43:07.140 align:center think it's good to have that foundational education 00:43:07.140 --> 00:43:08.585 align:center before you start going in. 00:43:08.585 --> 00:43:09.960 align:center Because there's a lot of harm you 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.450 align:center can do if you don't have that education about the disability 00:43:12.450 --> 00:43:14.242 align:center justice movement and the history behind it. 00:43:18.408 --> 00:43:19.950 align:center HEATHER FELDNER: And this is Heather. 00:43:19.950 --> 00:43:25.980 align:center I would add also following social media profiles 00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:29.580 align:center of disabled activists-- 00:43:29.580 --> 00:43:35.250 align:center Disability Visibility, Alice Wong, and-- 00:43:35.250 --> 00:43:39.510 align:center there's lots of different social media outlets 00:43:39.510 --> 00:43:43.410 align:center that really are that kind of lived experience justice 00:43:43.410 --> 00:43:45.480 align:center perspective. 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:48.720 align:center And they also all have those great memoirs, 00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:50.730 align:center as Lauren was mentioning, too. 00:43:58.190 --> 00:43:58.940 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Yeah. 00:43:58.940 --> 00:44:04.170 align:center Thanks, Mia, for putting in the chat some resources. 00:44:04.170 --> 00:44:09.140 align:center So I feel like everyone should watch Crip Camp if you haven't. 00:44:09.140 --> 00:44:13.530 align:center It's free on YouTube. 00:44:13.530 --> 00:44:14.510 align:center It's on Netflix. 00:44:14.510 --> 00:44:15.780 align:center So definitely do that. 00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:19.890 align:center And then Disability Visibility by Alice Wong, really, 00:44:19.890 --> 00:44:22.070 align:center really great, as well-- 00:44:22.070 --> 00:44:25.550 align:center "About Us" essays from the Disability series 00:44:25.550 --> 00:44:27.260 align:center of New York Times. 00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:33.677 align:center And I'm also going to put in the chat a book that we're doing-- 00:44:33.677 --> 00:44:35.510 align:center actually, some of you are in the book club-- 00:44:35.510 --> 00:44:39.950 align:center that we are doing on Against Technoableism-- 00:44:39.950 --> 00:44:43.760 align:center Rethinking Who Needs Improvement by Ashley Shew. 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:48.930 align:center So I encourage you to check that out, if you are interested. 00:44:48.930 --> 00:44:49.430 align:center Yeah. 00:44:49.430 --> 00:44:55.310 align:center So we're very, very excited to do that as a book club. 00:44:55.310 --> 00:44:58.730 align:center So if anyone's interested, just send me a message 00:44:58.730 --> 00:45:02.850 align:center and I'll get you the information. 00:45:02.850 --> 00:45:03.350 align:center OK. 00:45:03.350 --> 00:45:06.860 align:center I have a question for Heather. 00:45:06.860 --> 00:45:08.690 align:center What did CREATE stand for again? 00:45:08.690 --> 00:45:12.703 align:center And can you share a little bit more about what you do there? 00:45:12.703 --> 00:45:14.120 align:center HEATHER FELDNER: Yeah, absolutely. 00:45:14.120 --> 00:45:15.200 align:center And I can put-- 00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:17.203 align:center I can type it out in the chat because that's 00:45:17.203 --> 00:45:19.620 align:center why we call it CREATE, because it's a really long acronym. 00:45:19.620 --> 00:45:24.290 align:center But it's the Center for Research and Education 00:45:24.290 --> 00:45:29.390 align:center on Accessible Technology and Experiences. 00:45:29.390 --> 00:45:35.510 align:center And so, as I briefly mentioned, it kind of 00:45:35.510 --> 00:45:39.690 align:center came together during the early part of the pandemic. 00:45:39.690 --> 00:45:41.840 align:center There were a lot of us that were doing 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:46.130 align:center different types of accessibility research 00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:47.960 align:center in and around U-Dub's campus. 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.120 align:center Some were doing digital accessibility work. 00:45:50.120 --> 00:45:56.300 align:center Some were doing informatics work. 00:45:56.300 --> 00:46:02.340 align:center Some were doing very traditional design and fabrication work. 00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:08.310 align:center Some were doing adaptation. 00:46:08.310 --> 00:46:10.757 align:center And so we kind of said, hey, we should-- 00:46:10.757 --> 00:46:12.090 align:center we're all doing this great work. 00:46:12.090 --> 00:46:15.580 align:center Like, U-Dub should-- we should come together. 00:46:15.580 --> 00:46:23.160 align:center And so CREATE was founded in 2020 with the kind of mission 00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:25.740 align:center to make technology-- make the world 00:46:25.740 --> 00:46:28.380 align:center accessible through technology and make technology 00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:29.860 align:center accessible to everyone. 00:46:29.860 --> 00:46:34.710 align:center And so we have a couple-- 00:46:34.710 --> 00:46:38.700 align:center there's a couple different focus areas in CREATE right now, 00:46:38.700 --> 00:46:42.310 align:center one of which has been one that I've been most involved in, 00:46:42.310 --> 00:46:46.620 align:center which is mobility, and technology, and access. 00:46:46.620 --> 00:46:48.720 align:center We've done a couple of research projects 00:46:48.720 --> 00:46:51.240 align:center working with young kids with disabilities 00:46:51.240 --> 00:46:55.860 align:center and getting access to powered mobility 00:46:55.860 --> 00:47:01.320 align:center for self-initiated mobility exploration, socialization. 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.910 align:center So we've been able to look at kind 00:47:05.910 --> 00:47:09.480 align:center of a cool blend of engineering and tech 00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.650 align:center with some of our power mobility devices for really young kids. 00:47:13.650 --> 00:47:19.650 align:center And we have gotten a lot of information about the successes 00:47:19.650 --> 00:47:24.420 align:center that kids have, even at 9, 10, 12 months of age 00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:27.720 align:center engaging in mobility on their own, 00:47:27.720 --> 00:47:30.810 align:center which is so empowering and so important for development 00:47:30.810 --> 00:47:32.670 align:center throughout the lifespan, regardless 00:47:32.670 --> 00:47:35.670 align:center of whatever form of mobility you use, right? 00:47:35.670 --> 00:47:39.600 align:center So that's been a real focus for us. 00:47:39.600 --> 00:47:43.140 align:center The design component of that has come into play 00:47:43.140 --> 00:47:47.100 align:center because we also know that every child is going 00:47:47.100 --> 00:47:51.270 align:center to have unique needs in terms of accessing their joystick, 00:47:51.270 --> 00:47:53.950 align:center or their switch to control the device, positioning, 00:47:53.950 --> 00:47:55.180 align:center things like that. 00:47:55.180 --> 00:47:58.230 align:center So we've had to do a lot of adaptation-- 00:47:58.230 --> 00:48:03.210 align:center DIY design with 3D printing, with just low-tech materials 00:48:03.210 --> 00:48:04.470 align:center like pool noodles-- 00:48:04.470 --> 00:48:12.090 align:center to come up with various ways to optimize access for these kids. 00:48:12.090 --> 00:48:16.260 align:center Sometimes they're driving with their mouth or their cheek. 00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:19.920 align:center Sometimes they're driving with their arm, you know? 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.500 align:center And so just really kind of exploring 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:25.800 align:center all of the possibilities there. 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:30.270 align:center One other kind of big initiative that I'll just 00:48:30.270 --> 00:48:35.850 align:center mention with CREATE, as well, is there is a big focus 00:48:35.850 --> 00:48:38.400 align:center right now on the intersection of race, technology, 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:39.970 align:center and disability. 00:48:39.970 --> 00:48:43.110 align:center And so there's been a lot of funding opportunities 00:48:43.110 --> 00:48:46.680 align:center that have come through for work in that space. 00:48:46.680 --> 00:48:50.340 align:center And that's been-- that's also been a big focus of CREATE, 00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:52.242 align:center as well. 00:48:52.242 --> 00:48:54.450 align:center And thanks, Brianna, for putting the website in there 00:48:54.450 --> 00:48:55.230 align:center while I was chatting. 00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:56.055 align:center I appreciate that. 00:48:58.340 --> 00:48:59.090 align:center KAYLA BROWN: Yeah. 00:48:59.090 --> 00:49:01.890 align:center Thank you. 00:49:01.890 --> 00:49:05.790 align:center I don't see any other questions, and I do want to wrap up. 00:49:05.790 --> 00:49:08.970 align:center But do any of the panelists have anything else 00:49:08.970 --> 00:49:13.950 align:center you'd want to add as a takeaway for the audience, 00:49:13.950 --> 00:49:16.110 align:center if anyone has any final thoughts? 00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:27.720 align:center No problem. 00:49:27.720 --> 00:49:28.260 align:center All right. 00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:31.920 align:center Well, thank you so much, panelists, for being here 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.170 align:center and taking the time out of your day 00:49:34.170 --> 00:49:36.780 align:center to speak with us about what you do 00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:39.600 align:center and a little bit about what your passions are. 00:49:39.600 --> 00:49:41.250 align:center This has been fantastic. 00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:43.780 align:center And thank you all for attending. 00:49:43.780 --> 00:49:46.900 align:center And if you have any questions for panelists, 00:49:46.900 --> 00:49:49.200 align:center feel free to message me, email me-- 00:49:49.200 --> 00:49:51.120 align:center I'll put my email in the chat-- 00:49:51.120 --> 00:49:53.590 align:center and I will forward it on to them. 00:49:53.590 --> 00:49:54.930 align:center So thank you, everyone. 00:49:54.930 --> 00:49:58.160 align:center And I hope you have a great rest of your day.