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RICHARD LADNER:
Thank you, Brianna.

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So we're being recorded because
this presentation, question

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and answer session will be for
posterity, so other people can

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see it in the future.

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Not everybody can
come at this hour.

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So I'm Richard Ladner,
a professor emeritus

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at the University of
Washington in Seattle.

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And I run the
AccessCSforAll program.

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And I want to welcome you to
our second in a series of four.

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This is Accessible Computer
Science for deaf and hard

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of hearing.

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We have two more coming up.

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One on teaching students with
learning disabilities, and one

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teaching neurodiverse students.

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So you can look forward
to those as well.

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And some of you might have
come a couple of weeks

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ago when we had a blind
and visually impaired.

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So we're really fortunate today
to have an experienced teacher

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of deaf students-- deaf and
hard of hearing students, Beth

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Kimball.

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She teaches at the Indiana
School for the Deaf.

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And an interesting story.

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When my mother graduated
from Gallaudet University

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around 1932 or so-- no, 1936.

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Her first job was
teaching at the Indiana

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School for the Deaf.

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And then shortly thereafter,
that year, my father

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wrote her a note.

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Actually, there was a
whole series of letters

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that they corresponded,
and he proposed to her.

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And eventually, he came
back and brought her back

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to California, where I grew up.

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Anyway, I don't want
to prolong this.

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And Beth, please go ahead.

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BETH KIMBALL: This
evening, we'll

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be talking about
how to make computer

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science accessible
for deaf students

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and hard of hearing students,
or language deprived

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students or students who may
have some type of hearing loss.

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I'd like to introduce
myself first.

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My name is Beth Kimball,
and this is my sign name.

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It's an R across my head.

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I teach middle
school STEM classes

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at Indiana School for the Deaf--

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Also known as ISD.

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I can teach computer
science, math, science,

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a whole host of other classes.

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Typically, classes
that other teachers

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are not interested in teaching
or are nervous about teaching.

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I take over those courses.

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I have taught computer
science to middle school

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and high school students for the
last eight, almost nine years.

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It said six, but prior to
that, I had other experiences.

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So really, close to nine years.

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My major was in biology
and deaf education

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and outdoor experiential
education and engineering.

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So I graduated two
years ago with a PhD

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in environmental engineering.

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But now, I have been enjoying
teaching middle school.

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And it's that awkward age level.

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And I'm going to continue
doing that at this time.

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My passion is being
involved in my hobbies,

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such as reading, working on
bicycle's and my two dogs.

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Yeah, two very small dogs.

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I started computer science
teaching, really, accidentally.

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I was teaching science,
and someone asked me

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about signing up for a workshop.

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So in my head, it
was like, really,

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you want me to teach
computer science?

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I tried to tell this person,
you realize that my background,

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I grew up without electricity,
without computers?

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And they were like,
oh, no, no, no.

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You're so intelligent.

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I know you can handle it.

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And so I just did it on a whim.

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It was for free
professional development.

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So I went and really enjoyed
interacting with others

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and learned a lot and realized
that computer science is not

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actually about the computer,
the mechanism itself.

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It's more about playing around,
making mistakes, and learning.

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And that is really the
piece that I enjoy.

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I do like teaching computer
science, actually, better

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than the other [AUDIO OUT]
classes I teach.

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But I'm not going to
tell my principal that.

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[LAUGHTER]

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I lost my hearing around age 24.

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Currently, I do use ASL all
day long in my work environment

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and in my life.

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And I do also use English in
other parts of my life as well.

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So I do use one or the other.

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However, I don't use
simultaneous communication.

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I choose a language
to use, whether it

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be sign language in the moment
or English in the moment.

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I want to emphasize for
those of you that may have,

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currently, a deaf or
hard of hearing student

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in the classroom
or may at some time

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in the future, what these
individuals' identities may

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look like.

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If they are part of
the Deaf community,

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they consider themselves
Deaf and they use it

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as a proper noun with a capital
D as part of the community.

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That is an identity.

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And they are proud
of that identity.

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If the person has a
hearing loss and they're

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viewing it from a
medical perspective,

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and just in terms of
their loss of hearing

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and not regarding their
use of the language of ASL,

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then it is a common noun
with a lowercase D--

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deaf.

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And for your
students, it will all

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depend on their background,
where they come from,

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what their identity
is, whether or not

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they use that as a proper
noun or a common noun.

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RICHARD LADNER: Beth,
this is Richard.

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I wanted to ask you, could
you explain what ASL?

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You mentioned ASL.

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Some people might not
know what that is.

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BETH KIMBALL: Oh, I apologize.

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Yes, ASL is American
Sign Language.

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It is the standard language
of communication for the Deaf

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community in America.

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It is a full language with its
own grammar, its own syntax,

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and it does include
cultural aspects.

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And I want to be clear, it's
not a mode of communication,

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but it is a language.

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It's called ASL.

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My primary language,
currently, is English,

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but really ASL is
my primary language.

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You may have seen different
causes of deafness.

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It can be biologically
cause, medical.

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There are different views.

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There are over 250 different
causes of deafness.

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Some of those are
congenital, it's in the DNA.

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It could be from
connexin 26, which

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is a particular
chromosome defect that

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is missing a particular gene.

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And that is very common
to be a cause of deafness.

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It could also be--

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that could be the--

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there could be other
primary issues,

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such as CHARGE syndrome.

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That comes with height issues,
heart issues, physical defects,

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but it also does cause deafness.

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It could be a premature birth.

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And if a baby is born
sometime around 24 weeks,

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they often have a hearing
loss of some sort.

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Or it could also be related
to a maternal illness.

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The mother may have
had a high fever

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before the child was born.

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Or it could even be they lose
their hearing later in life

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due to an illness as a
child, as a teenager.

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An extremely high fever can
cause hearing loss as well.

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Or it could be
that an individual

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is born with some vision
issues and later loses

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their hearing, which
is typically related

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to having Usher syndrome.

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But there are a
whole host of reasons

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that someone could be deaf.

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Very similar to
other special needs.

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So if you know one
deaf person, you

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have to realize that you
only know one deaf person

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and what their life is like.

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That does not apply
to all deaf students.

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So not every one deaf student
is the same as any other.

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For our demographics in
America, we have about 76,000

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deaf or deaf/blind students
who receive services

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under IDEA, which is the
Individuals with Disabilities

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Education Act.

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That's from the
year 2018 to 2019.

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There is not current data
from 2019, 2020, and on.

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But at that time,
76,000 children

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were identified to be
receiving some type of service

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for some type of hearing loss.

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And this is those that have
their primary disability

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as being deaf or deaf/blind.

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So if their primary
disability is autism,

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and they have a secondary
disability of being deaf,

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those students
are not considered

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in that number of 76,000.

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A huge percentage of our deaf
and hard of hearing students

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are attending the
public schools.

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They are mainstreamed.

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They do not come
to a Deaf school.

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90% of our students
are mainstreamed

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into the public
school classroom.

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In bigger cities, there may
be a few more deaf students

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in those Deaf programs.

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They may actually
have a Deaf program

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versus a student being
all alone in the classroom

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as the only deaf student.

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But typically, there is one
deaf student or one deaf

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or hard of hearing
student mainstreamed

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into their public school
program if a larger

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number of those students
all being hearing.

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So if you have any questions
about the percentages

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or other disabilities
that are out there,

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there is a link
that's been provided.

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You can see here on the slide.

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But specifically, deaf and
hard of hearing students,

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it is 76,000, which is
90% of those students.

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Also, 90%-- that 90% I
was referring to of those

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students-- do have
parents that can hear.

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So these hearing
parents have a baby

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and they have this deaf
child, and often they

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don't know what
to do, so how they

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interact, how they communicate
with their children.

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They may get a cochlear
implant for their child.

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They may get hearing
aids for their child.

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They may do speech therapy.

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They may use sign language.

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They may put their
child in a Deaf school.

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It is quite individualized,
and it's a family decision.

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And they base that on
what's best for their child,

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for their family,
whether or not that--

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whatever works.

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Because 90% of our deaf and
hard of hearing students do

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have hearing parents.

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Automatically, there
is a disconnect

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between the cultures.

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When a deaf child is born,
they have a different identity

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or just that feeling of
otherness-- difference

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from their parents.

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A hearing child
picks up language

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watching TV, talking
on the phone.

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A deaf child does not
have that same experience.

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And they can be easily isolated.

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So parents have to decide,
are they going to learn ASL?

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Are they going to
practice that in the home?

00:14:16.760 --> 00:14:19.150 align:middle line:84%
Are they going to
focus on speech?

00:14:19.150 --> 00:14:21.670 align:middle line:84%
Will they use both sign
language and speech?

00:14:21.670 --> 00:14:24.325 align:middle line:84%
Will they get their
child a cochlear implant

00:14:24.325 --> 00:14:27.715 align:middle line:84%
through surgical procedure
or use hearing aids?

00:14:30.425 --> 00:14:31.040 align:middle line:90%
It varies.

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What we see and consider
as the best decision

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may not be possible.

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Remember, the parents
view this child--

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that they have this child.

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And when you think
about them learning

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a new language such as ASL,
picking up that language

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while working full time,
taking care of their children,

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it's a big adjustment and a big
challenge to face as a family.

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So we can't judge parents
based on what they

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choose to do for their child.

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It's their decision and we have
to trust that they know best.

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As I mentioned before,
it's not unusual.

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It is not rare for
there to be just one

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deaf child in the whole school.

00:15:30.450 --> 00:15:33.460 align:middle line:90%
Completely alone.

00:15:33.460 --> 00:15:36.040 align:middle line:84%
Potentially, even kindergarten
through 12th grade,

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there may only be
one deaf child.

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And there may have never been
a deaf child in that school

00:15:45.510 --> 00:15:47.820 align:middle line:90%
until maybe up to 10th grade.

00:15:47.820 --> 00:15:50.750 align:middle line:90%
That's just the way it goes.

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Or it may be that
a child transfers

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in from another school
or a family moves,

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and it may even be that a
child has a recent diagnosis.

00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.540 align:middle line:84%
They haven't even been
previously diagnosed.

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And it may seem as if
they're getting by.

00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:11.340 align:middle line:90%
It may seem that they can here.

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And they may really start to
struggle as the class gets

00:16:15.270 --> 00:16:17.100 align:middle line:90%
more challenging.

00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:20.880 align:middle line:84%
It is easy for
children to fake it,

00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:23.490 align:middle line:90%
especially in elementary school.

00:16:23.490 --> 00:16:27.570 align:middle line:84%
They can get by trying to rely
on as much as they can hear,

00:16:27.570 --> 00:16:29.430 align:middle line:90%
and following others.

00:16:29.430 --> 00:16:31.467 align:middle line:90%
And they can wing it.

00:16:31.467 --> 00:16:33.300 align:middle line:84%
But by the time they
get into middle school,

00:16:33.300 --> 00:16:36.420 align:middle line:84%
it becomes much
more challenging.

00:16:36.420 --> 00:16:38.580 align:middle line:90%
They may have reading delays.

00:16:38.580 --> 00:16:42.120 align:middle line:84%
They may start missing
out on information.

00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:43.830 align:middle line:90%
They may be embarrassed by that.

00:16:43.830 --> 00:16:48.840 align:middle line:84%
They may not want to ask for
someone to repeat information.

00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.230 align:middle line:84%
And so they start
to push it aside.

00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:56.620 align:middle line:84%
And that's where
the schools may find

00:16:56.620 --> 00:16:58.120 align:middle line:90%
that a child is struggling.

00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.940 align:middle line:84%
And they may do some testing
and determine that they

00:17:00.940 --> 00:17:02.610 align:middle line:90%
fit in another classroom.

00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:08.280 align:middle line:84%
Often, deaf kids in
the public school

00:17:08.280 --> 00:17:11.430 align:middle line:84%
will have pull-out
services for speech.

00:17:11.430 --> 00:17:14.932 align:middle line:90%
They may have OT, PT.

00:17:14.932 --> 00:17:16.349 align:middle line:84%
There's a variety
of services they

00:17:16.349 --> 00:17:22.349 align:middle line:84%
may benefit from because deaf
children need language access,

00:17:22.349 --> 00:17:25.619 align:middle line:84%
they need to get up and they
need that additional practice.

00:17:28.800 --> 00:17:31.930 align:middle line:84%
They may be a bit behind
in the public schools,

00:17:31.930 --> 00:17:33.790 align:middle line:90%
but some may not be behind.

00:17:33.790 --> 00:17:36.460 align:middle line:84%
So it just varies from
student to student.

00:17:36.460 --> 00:17:37.810 align:middle line:90%
Just individually based.

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Before I delve into
computer science,

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I do want to talk a bit
about the deaf experience

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in the public school.

00:17:53.270 --> 00:17:56.685 align:middle line:84%
A deaf student is
in the classroom

00:17:56.685 --> 00:17:58.310 align:middle line:84%
and you have to
understand that there's

00:17:58.310 --> 00:18:01.970 align:middle line:84%
all this auditory information
being given by the students,

00:18:01.970 --> 00:18:04.340 align:middle line:84%
by the teacher in the
front of the classroom.

00:18:04.340 --> 00:18:08.090 align:middle line:84%
That student will not have
access to all of that.

00:18:08.090 --> 00:18:11.210 align:middle line:84%
They may feel disconnected
from the other students

00:18:11.210 --> 00:18:16.380 align:middle line:84%
in the classroom, they
may feel isolated,

00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:20.130 align:middle line:84%
they may even feel some anxiety,
some paranoia because they

00:18:20.130 --> 00:18:23.010 align:middle line:84%
don't know what
people are saying,

00:18:23.010 --> 00:18:24.840 align:middle line:90%
what they're talking about.

00:18:24.840 --> 00:18:28.870 align:middle line:90%
They'll be missing information.

00:18:28.870 --> 00:18:33.040 align:middle line:84%
A common experience
for s deaf student

00:18:33.040 --> 00:18:36.970 align:middle line:84%
can be that they feel that
their teacher doesn't like them

00:18:36.970 --> 00:18:38.170 align:middle line:90%
or hates them.

00:18:38.170 --> 00:18:40.310 align:middle line:90%
They're often exhausted.

00:18:40.310 --> 00:18:43.090 align:middle line:84%
They don't want to wear the
FM system because the teacher

00:18:43.090 --> 00:18:45.340 align:middle line:84%
doesn't want to do that--
doesn't want to make those

00:18:45.340 --> 00:18:47.560 align:middle line:90%
accommodations for their needs--

00:18:47.560 --> 00:18:50.350 align:middle line:84%
that the teacher doesn't want
to give them additional support

00:18:50.350 --> 00:18:53.530 align:middle line:84%
or doesn't want to interact
with the interpreter.

00:18:53.530 --> 00:18:57.160 align:middle line:84%
They also often feel that
the teacher doesn't know how

00:18:57.160 --> 00:18:59.050 align:middle line:90%
to use the closed captioning.

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These are all feelings of
the students in middle school

00:19:02.320 --> 00:19:03.550 align:middle line:90%
and high school.

00:19:03.550 --> 00:19:05.860 align:middle line:84%
So they honestly do
sometimes have that feeling

00:19:05.860 --> 00:19:07.870 align:middle line:84%
that the teacher
hates them, and that's

00:19:07.870 --> 00:19:12.520 align:middle line:84%
only because the teacher
may be exhausted or confused

00:19:12.520 --> 00:19:14.080 align:middle line:90%
that that's their perspective.

00:19:14.080 --> 00:19:16.140 align:middle line:84%
That's their experience
in the public school.

00:19:19.370 --> 00:19:26.930 align:middle line:84%
Funny story that I have
seen from a lot of students.

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In public school when
they wear the FM systems--

00:19:31.070 --> 00:19:35.000 align:middle line:84%
which, I'll talk a bit more
about the technology later--

00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:40.160 align:middle line:84%
but basically, an FM system
is basically direct Bluetooth

00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.530 align:middle line:90%
to the students hearing aid.

00:19:42.530 --> 00:19:44.900 align:middle line:84%
And the teacher
wears a microphone

00:19:44.900 --> 00:19:48.320 align:middle line:84%
and it goes directly
into their hearing aid

00:19:48.320 --> 00:19:50.270 align:middle line:90%
as if they are right nearby.

00:19:50.270 --> 00:19:54.690 align:middle line:84%
Regardless of where the
teacher is standing.

00:19:54.690 --> 00:19:57.690 align:middle line:84%
What happens, often,
is the teacher

00:19:57.690 --> 00:20:03.610 align:middle line:84%
will forget to turn off the
FM system after teaching.

00:20:03.610 --> 00:20:09.170 align:middle line:84%
And we'll head to the restroom
or go to the teacher's lounge

00:20:09.170 --> 00:20:13.880 align:middle line:84%
or maybe go see the secretary
in the secretary's office,

00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:17.240 align:middle line:84%
and yet that's still close
enough to that Bluetooth

00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:22.760 align:middle line:84%
connection that that student
can overhear the teacher

00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:26.090 align:middle line:84%
in the restroom using the
bathroom, having conversations

00:20:26.090 --> 00:20:28.130 align:middle line:84%
with teachers in the
teacher's lounge.

00:20:28.130 --> 00:20:28.890 align:middle line:90%
Everything.

00:20:35.430 --> 00:20:38.580 align:middle line:84%
Often, the kids do
feel very connected--

00:20:38.580 --> 00:20:42.780 align:middle line:84%
or disconnected, excuse
me-- from the hearing world.

00:20:42.780 --> 00:20:44.940 align:middle line:90%
The world at large.

00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:48.840 align:middle line:84%
Because they feel
different, and they feel

00:20:48.840 --> 00:20:53.010 align:middle line:84%
they can't communicate or
can't understand everything.

00:21:00.660 --> 00:21:03.330 align:middle line:84%
All you can do is your
best for the students.

00:21:03.330 --> 00:21:07.290 align:middle line:84%
Obviously, you can't be
perfect for everyone.

00:21:07.290 --> 00:21:10.850 align:middle line:84%
So if you do some
analysis and realize

00:21:10.850 --> 00:21:14.810 align:middle line:84%
that you can improve in certain
areas, I think that's enough.

00:21:14.810 --> 00:21:17.960 align:middle line:84%
Dialogue with the
students, interact

00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:21.900 align:middle line:84%
with other individuals
in the Deaf community.

00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:24.360 align:middle line:90%
That is enough.

00:21:24.360 --> 00:21:27.750 align:middle line:84%
We don't expect all deaf
and hard of hearing kids

00:21:27.750 --> 00:21:29.970 align:middle line:84%
to be able to come
to the Deaf school.

00:21:29.970 --> 00:21:31.870 align:middle line:90%
That's not going to happen.

00:21:31.870 --> 00:21:34.890 align:middle line:84%
We want what's ever
best or most successful

00:21:34.890 --> 00:21:36.377 align:middle line:90%
for that individual student.

00:21:36.377 --> 00:21:38.460 align:middle line:84%
So if that means that they
need to be mainstreamed

00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:42.150 align:middle line:84%
in public school, be the only
deaf student there, it's fine.

00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:46.020 align:middle line:84%
If it means that they come
to our school, that's fine.

00:21:46.020 --> 00:21:48.690 align:middle line:84%
It's whatever works for
those individual students.

00:21:56.760 --> 00:21:59.850 align:middle line:84%
Educational options
for deaf students,

00:21:59.850 --> 00:22:03.180 align:middle line:84%
as I said before, they
can be mainstreamed

00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:05.550 align:middle line:84%
in the public
school setting, they

00:22:05.550 --> 00:22:09.960 align:middle line:84%
may have an interpreter, a
sign language interpreter,

00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.830 align:middle line:84%
they may use hearing aids,
they may use an FM system

00:22:13.830 --> 00:22:17.580 align:middle line:84%
with the teacher or
other accommodations.

00:22:17.580 --> 00:22:20.710 align:middle line:90%
Whatever that student needs.

00:22:20.710 --> 00:22:23.980 align:middle line:84%
It may be notes printed,
it may be note-taking,

00:22:23.980 --> 00:22:27.830 align:middle line:90%
it may be videos captioned.

00:22:27.830 --> 00:22:30.510 align:middle line:90%
Things on Zoom can be done.

00:22:30.510 --> 00:22:33.548 align:middle line:84%
It may be one on one support
from the deaf and hard

00:22:33.548 --> 00:22:34.340 align:middle line:90%
of hearing teacher.

00:22:34.340 --> 00:22:36.410 align:middle line:84%
Whatever that individual
student needs.

00:22:43.120 --> 00:22:46.930 align:middle line:84%
In more urban settings
in the public schools,

00:22:46.930 --> 00:22:50.005 align:middle line:84%
there may be several deaf
students in a program.

00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:56.870 align:middle line:84%
So that means that they may
have the finances, the budget

00:22:56.870 --> 00:23:01.770 align:middle line:84%
to have an actual Deaf
program at that school.

00:23:01.770 --> 00:23:08.940 align:middle line:84%
They may have a teacher of the
Deaf who teaches deaf students.

00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:11.670 align:middle line:84%
Could be a deaf or
a hearing teacher.

00:23:11.670 --> 00:23:18.990 align:middle line:84%
They would be providing direct
instruction using sign language

00:23:18.990 --> 00:23:22.110 align:middle line:84%
or even using other types
of communication modes.

00:23:22.110 --> 00:23:25.470 align:middle line:84%
But it would be more direct
instruction from the teacher

00:23:25.470 --> 00:23:30.660 align:middle line:84%
to the deaf students, not a
teacher and an interpreter

00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:32.640 align:middle line:90%
and a deaf student.

00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.340 align:middle line:84%
So in some cases,
there may be a program

00:23:35.340 --> 00:23:38.595 align:middle line:84%
where the teachers are able to
directly instruct the students.

00:23:44.660 --> 00:23:47.630 align:middle line:84%
There are a few places in the
United States, such as Chicago.

00:23:47.630 --> 00:23:48.410 align:middle line:90%
They have one.

00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:51.770 align:middle line:84%
New York has a few
programs where--

00:23:51.770 --> 00:23:55.040 align:middle line:84%
and in New England, there
are multiple programs.

00:23:55.040 --> 00:23:59.120 align:middle line:90%
In Washington state, as well.

00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:01.430 align:middle line:84%
Again, dependent on the
particular community

00:24:01.430 --> 00:24:03.680 align:middle line:84%
and their needs, they may
have programs like that.

00:24:06.590 --> 00:24:10.910 align:middle line:84%
And third option is that they
may come to the Deaf school,

00:24:10.910 --> 00:24:13.520 align:middle line:84%
like the school that I teach
at, where the students receive

00:24:13.520 --> 00:24:17.500 align:middle line:84%
direct instruction
from the teachers.

00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:21.660 align:middle line:84%
Most of our teachers
are deaf where

00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:25.830 align:middle line:84%
their first language or their
primary language was ASL.

00:24:25.830 --> 00:24:30.790 align:middle line:84%
And we have a class full of deaf
students who are all using ASL.

00:24:30.790 --> 00:24:32.580 align:middle line:84%
So there is direct
communication,

00:24:32.580 --> 00:24:35.050 align:middle line:84%
there is no delay
and communication,

00:24:35.050 --> 00:24:37.740 align:middle line:90%
there's no awkwardness.

00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:40.050 align:middle line:90%
There's no interpreter needed.

00:24:40.050 --> 00:24:43.430 align:middle line:84%
It looks just like
any other school.

00:24:43.430 --> 00:24:47.010 align:middle line:84%
The only difference is the
language that's being used.

00:24:47.010 --> 00:24:49.170 align:middle line:90%
That's all.

00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:55.470 align:middle line:84%
Some Deaf schools don't
necessarily use ASL.

00:24:55.470 --> 00:24:57.820 align:middle line:84%
They have a focus
on spoken language,

00:24:57.820 --> 00:25:00.600 align:middle line:84%
so the teachers use
spoken language.

00:25:00.600 --> 00:25:03.930 align:middle line:84%
And it's a family
decision that they want

00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:06.300 align:middle line:90%
to just use spoken English.

00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:08.710 align:middle line:90%
And that works for them.

00:25:08.710 --> 00:25:10.710 align:middle line:84%
However, those
accommodations are

00:25:10.710 --> 00:25:13.800 align:middle line:84%
made to meet the
needs of the student.

00:25:13.800 --> 00:25:18.660 align:middle line:90%
Some schools do use cued speech.

00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:22.590 align:middle line:84%
And so the teacher is
speaking, and while they speak,

00:25:22.590 --> 00:25:24.780 align:middle line:84%
they actually are
showing where the sounds

00:25:24.780 --> 00:25:29.300 align:middle line:90%
are happening on the face.

00:25:29.300 --> 00:25:31.310 align:middle line:90%
It is a mode of communication.

00:25:31.310 --> 00:25:33.290 align:middle line:90%
It is not a language.

00:25:33.290 --> 00:25:37.700 align:middle line:84%
But there are some people that
prefer to use cued speech.

00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:40.580 align:middle line:84%
They feel that it connects
them better to the hearing

00:25:40.580 --> 00:25:42.140 align:middle line:90%
world and spoken English.

00:25:46.990 --> 00:25:54.320 align:middle line:84%
Many schools use Signing Exact
English, which is called SEE.

00:25:54.320 --> 00:25:59.360 align:middle line:84%
American Sign Language
has grammar and syntax.

00:25:59.360 --> 00:26:02.430 align:middle line:90%
It is its own language.

00:26:02.430 --> 00:26:05.010 align:middle line:84%
If we tried to put
that in English,

00:26:05.010 --> 00:26:09.060 align:middle line:84%
it would not work
because it's not English.

00:26:09.060 --> 00:26:13.070 align:middle line:84%
However, Signing Exact
English is signing

00:26:13.070 --> 00:26:15.420 align:middle line:90%
every exact word in English.

00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:24.230 align:middle line:84%
So the word the and a swinging
all those parts of the word

00:26:24.230 --> 00:26:26.270 align:middle line:84%
are shown in Signing
Exact English.

00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:30.990 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Beth?

00:26:30.990 --> 00:26:35.400 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, just a point
about Signed English.

00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.890 align:middle line:84%
American Sign
Language is efficient,

00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:42.030 align:middle line:84%
meaning its information
rate's similar to speaking.

00:26:42.030 --> 00:26:45.540 align:middle line:84%
And you're using these really
big muscles in your arms

00:26:45.540 --> 00:26:48.810 align:middle line:84%
and makers and stuff
like that, so each side

00:26:48.810 --> 00:26:52.851 align:middle line:84%
has to have a lot of
information in it.

00:26:52.851 --> 00:26:56.670 align:middle line:84%
In SEE or in Signed
English, you have

00:26:56.670 --> 00:26:59.130 align:middle line:84%
to take the spoken
language and do

00:26:59.130 --> 00:27:04.310 align:middle line:84%
an exact match using these big
muscles, so everything is slow.

00:27:04.310 --> 00:27:07.560 align:middle line:90%
It's much slower than ASL.

00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:11.130 align:middle line:84%
So it's-- hmm, I don't know
the percentage slowness,

00:27:11.130 --> 00:27:13.650 align:middle line:90%
but it's at least 50% slower.

00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:17.500 align:middle line:90%
So it's very inefficient.

00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:22.470 align:middle line:84%
And so after learning
in SEE, most kids

00:27:22.470 --> 00:27:25.667 align:middle line:84%
go on and learn ASL because
it's much more efficient.

00:27:31.250 --> 00:27:32.000 align:middle line:90%
BETH KIMBALL: Yes.

00:27:32.000 --> 00:27:35.480 align:middle line:84%
And it depends on where they
are headed in their lives.

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If where they live
has that oper--

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if they have that
opportunity to learn ASL,

00:27:42.590 --> 00:27:44.090 align:middle line:90%
absolutely, they will.

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But if not, then some do stick
with Signing Exact English.

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So it just depends on their
life journey, honestly.

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But Richard, you are right.

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I do remember from grad school,
Signing Exact English or SEE,

00:28:05.410 --> 00:28:11.910 align:middle line:90%
that's called a linear language.

00:28:11.910 --> 00:28:14.800 align:middle line:90%
We call that a linear language.

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So everything is
in order in line.

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ASL-- American Sign Language--
is a vertical language.

00:28:26.060 --> 00:28:31.220 align:middle line:84%
So you can sign and include
the grammatical structures

00:28:31.220 --> 00:28:35.620 align:middle line:84%
with facial grammars
and body language.

00:28:35.620 --> 00:28:39.670 align:middle line:84%
Where one sign combines
all of those aspects

00:28:39.670 --> 00:28:42.160 align:middle line:84%
and has a multitude
of meanings and can

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create an entire sentence.

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So yes, ASL is more
efficient, much quicker

00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.440 align:middle line:84%
than spoken language if you know
ASL-- if you know how to sign.

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INTERPRETER: Are
you ready to switch?

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I--

00:29:16.487 --> 00:29:19.000 align:middle line:84%
So maybe you have a deaf
or hard of hearing student

00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:22.130 align:middle line:84%
that is using different
types of technology.

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So I'm not talking
about iPads or computers

00:29:25.090 --> 00:29:27.430 align:middle line:84%
or that type of technology,
what I'm talking about

00:29:27.430 --> 00:29:31.900 align:middle line:84%
is their own personal assistive
technology for their hearing

00:29:31.900 --> 00:29:33.410 align:middle line:90%
accessibility.

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So for example, they're
called smart hearing aids.

00:29:38.590 --> 00:29:41.740 align:middle line:84%
So if they're using that
assistive technology that

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:44.330 align:middle line:90%
has Bluetooth capability--

00:29:44.330 --> 00:29:45.760 align:middle line:84%
for example, with
my hearing aids,

00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:49.000 align:middle line:84%
I'm able to listen
to music from my iPad

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.370 align:middle line:90%
through my hearing aids.

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And so that's one
way that we can

00:29:53.770 --> 00:29:54.970 align:middle line:90%
use that type of technology.

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Or I'm able to connect
to an FM system

00:29:58.060 --> 00:30:00.160 align:middle line:84%
directly through my
own hearing aids.

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I can listen to
announcements in the airport

00:30:05.970 --> 00:30:08.790 align:middle line:84%
or in the grocery store
or adjust my settings

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for different types
of environments.

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Or I can connect to my
iPhone, for example,

00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:15.900 align:middle line:90%
to be able to use my hearing.

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For some Deaf individuals
that are more profoundly deaf,

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they might take advantage of the
cochlear implant process, which

00:30:30.040 --> 00:30:36.590 align:middle line:84%
is actually a surgical procedure
that connects technology

00:30:36.590 --> 00:30:38.960 align:middle line:84%
to the inner part of
the ear and the cochlea.

00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.440 align:middle line:84%
And it's connected directly
to a device that allows them

00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.410 align:middle line:90%
to be able to hear auditory--

00:30:45.410 --> 00:30:48.700 align:middle line:84%
or it connects to
their auditory nerve.

00:30:48.700 --> 00:30:51.060 align:middle line:84%
So it basically
bypasses their ear

00:30:51.060 --> 00:30:53.490 align:middle line:84%
for that part of the
ear that does not work,

00:30:53.490 --> 00:30:55.013 align:middle line:84%
and connects directly
to that nerve

00:30:55.013 --> 00:30:56.680 align:middle line:84%
to help them have
that hearing function.

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One of the really nice things
about that is I have an implant

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and it doesn't mean that
I'm able to hear everything

00:31:08.580 --> 00:31:13.330 align:middle line:84%
exactly, but I can hear
announcements in the store,

00:31:13.330 --> 00:31:17.130 align:middle line:84%
I can hear someone
walking behind me.

00:31:17.130 --> 00:31:20.640 align:middle line:84%
I might be able to pick
up environmental noise.

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.780 align:middle line:84%
I might hear something that's
happening in my environment.

00:31:24.780 --> 00:31:27.060 align:middle line:84%
So that is one of the
really nice things,

00:31:27.060 --> 00:31:29.993 align:middle line:84%
that I'm able to
hear those noises.

00:31:29.993 --> 00:31:31.410 align:middle line:84%
But one of the
things that happens

00:31:31.410 --> 00:31:35.610 align:middle line:84%
is that my brain has
difficulty separating

00:31:35.610 --> 00:31:37.440 align:middle line:84%
some of those
environmental sounds

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.730 align:middle line:84%
and separating that
from spoken language.

00:31:39.730 --> 00:31:41.760 align:middle line:84%
So that could be a
little bit overwhelming

00:31:41.760 --> 00:31:45.990 align:middle line:84%
for individuals that do
have a cochlear implant.

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So, yeah, you have to
think about your students.

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:50.660 align:middle line:84%
If they're trying to
listen to the teacher,

00:31:50.660 --> 00:31:53.180 align:middle line:84%
they're also trying
to filter out

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:55.250 align:middle line:84%
some of those
background information

00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:58.190 align:middle line:84%
and some of the other noise
that's in their environment.

00:31:58.190 --> 00:32:02.660 align:middle line:84%
That for hearing people,
who have grown up

00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:06.630 align:middle line:84%
hearing all those noises, they
learn how to filter it out.

00:32:06.630 --> 00:32:08.750 align:middle line:84%
But it's a lot more
difficult for our students

00:32:08.750 --> 00:32:11.330 align:middle line:84%
and it can become exhausting
throughout their school day.

00:32:16.130 --> 00:32:20.300 align:middle line:84%
Or some students might use
hearing aids with an FM system,

00:32:20.300 --> 00:32:21.960 align:middle line:90%
like I mentioned before.

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.840 align:middle line:84%
So basically that would
be like a microphone

00:32:23.840 --> 00:32:25.882 align:middle line:84%
that the teacher would
wear during the class that

00:32:25.882 --> 00:32:28.010 align:middle line:84%
would connect directly
to the students

00:32:28.010 --> 00:32:30.350 align:middle line:84%
hearing aid or
cochlear implants.

00:32:30.350 --> 00:32:33.470 align:middle line:84%
And wherever the teacher walks,
anywhere in the classroom,

00:32:33.470 --> 00:32:35.840 align:middle line:84%
then the student
would be able to hear

00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:37.040 align:middle line:90%
what the teacher is saying.

00:32:43.110 --> 00:32:45.300 align:middle line:84%
On the left side,
you'll see a couple

00:32:45.300 --> 00:32:47.220 align:middle line:84%
of different options
for accessibility

00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:50.790 align:middle line:84%
to language and different
types of communication modes.

00:32:50.790 --> 00:32:54.870 align:middle line:84%
As we have already talked
about, there is signed ASL.

00:32:54.870 --> 00:32:58.720 align:middle line:84%
You'll also see there where
is says Pidgin Sign English,

00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.530 align:middle line:84%
that is a little bit of
a mixture between what

00:33:01.530 --> 00:33:05.250 align:middle line:84%
we talked about earlier-- about
Signing Exact English and ASL.

00:33:05.250 --> 00:33:07.770 align:middle line:84%
It's also a combination
of some made up signs,

00:33:07.770 --> 00:33:09.420 align:middle line:90%
as well as gestures.

00:33:09.420 --> 00:33:12.960 align:middle line:84%
And that is something that
some students might use,

00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.390 align:middle line:84%
but it's not something
that will be common to all.

00:33:17.910 --> 00:33:21.930 align:middle line:84%
So if someone speaks
spoken English

00:33:21.930 --> 00:33:24.690 align:middle line:84%
and maybe they're in
an oral environment,

00:33:24.690 --> 00:33:28.045 align:middle line:84%
they might use cued
speech or lip reading

00:33:28.045 --> 00:33:29.295 align:middle line:90%
or a variety of these methods.

00:33:37.780 --> 00:33:43.920 align:middle line:84%
Typical requirements for
a classroom set up prior

00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:49.680 align:middle line:84%
to COVID, were that there were
a variety of accommodations

00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.680 align:middle line:84%
that might be needed for deaf
and hard of hearing student.

00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.320 align:middle line:84%
And the focus on that is
more on the physical set up.

00:33:57.320 --> 00:34:00.560 align:middle line:84%
So usually, your teacher's
at the front of the classroom

00:34:00.560 --> 00:34:02.630 align:middle line:90%
in front of the whiteboard.

00:34:02.630 --> 00:34:06.620 align:middle line:84%
The sign language interpreter
would stand closely

00:34:06.620 --> 00:34:07.790 align:middle line:90%
to the teacher.

00:34:07.790 --> 00:34:11.780 align:middle line:84%
You also might have a
captionist or a card person,

00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:15.310 align:middle line:90%
as well as an FM system.

00:34:15.310 --> 00:34:17.739 align:middle line:84%
Usually, for college
programs, you

00:34:17.739 --> 00:34:22.239 align:middle line:84%
will have a student
who pays for someone

00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:28.550 align:middle line:84%
to be a note taker for them,
so that the deaf student is

00:34:28.550 --> 00:34:31.250 align:middle line:84%
able to keep their eyes
on the interpreter.

00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:33.830 align:middle line:84%
Because oftentimes, if they're
looking at the interpreter

00:34:33.830 --> 00:34:35.540 align:middle line:84%
and then looking
down to write notes,

00:34:35.540 --> 00:34:36.889 align:middle line:90%
they might miss information.

00:34:36.889 --> 00:34:39.199 align:middle line:84%
So they can focus on the
interpreter the entire time.

00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:45.010 align:middle line:84%
In the picture-- this is
from an actual University

00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:47.659 align:middle line:90%
in Washington.

00:34:47.659 --> 00:34:50.230 align:middle line:90%
And so a college level workshop.

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You can see the presenter
there on the left

00:34:52.330 --> 00:34:57.230 align:middle line:84%
in the front with the
PowerPoint behind them,

00:34:57.230 --> 00:35:00.690 align:middle line:84%
and then the interpreter,
who is signing,

00:35:00.690 --> 00:35:03.060 align:middle line:84%
being right there
by the PowerPoint.

00:35:03.060 --> 00:35:05.010 align:middle line:90%
And you'll see the students--

00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:13.380 align:middle line:84%
you'll see the bald man
who is deaf and blind,

00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:16.380 align:middle line:84%
and then you'll know that
he might be the interpreter.

00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:19.170 align:middle line:84%
And then, there
is a person there

00:35:19.170 --> 00:35:23.430 align:middle line:84%
who is able to provide
tactile interpretation, who

00:35:23.430 --> 00:35:24.810 align:middle line:90%
can hear as well.

00:35:24.810 --> 00:35:28.800 align:middle line:84%
And be there to provide that
tactile information in sign

00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:31.320 align:middle line:84%
language to the Deaf
and blind students,

00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.890 align:middle line:84%
to be able to give them
communication access.

00:35:34.890 --> 00:35:38.280 align:middle line:84%
The same concept is for
a sign language teacher.

00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:42.525 align:middle line:84%
They can see the signs,
but it's through touch.

00:35:50.550 --> 00:35:53.340 align:middle line:84%
And then, you'll see right there
in the red outline, the laptop

00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:58.700 align:middle line:84%
for the cards, where they're
able to see the captions

00:35:58.700 --> 00:35:59.645 align:middle line:90%
and/or note taker.

00:36:04.210 --> 00:36:06.700 align:middle line:84%
Which can be shared with
that deaf/blind individual.

00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:15.340 align:middle line:84%
All right, now, finally, we are
at the computer science portion

00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:16.290 align:middle line:90%
of the presentation.

00:36:19.950 --> 00:36:25.190 align:middle line:84%
So computer science is a
hot topic now for schools

00:36:25.190 --> 00:36:28.320 align:middle line:90%
and in the classroom.

00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.680 align:middle line:84%
And it's not a new
field to the world.

00:36:31.680 --> 00:36:33.270 align:middle line:90%
It's been recognized since--

00:36:37.245 --> 00:36:42.690 align:middle line:84%
it's been recognized for a very
long time, since the 1800s.

00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:52.420 align:middle line:84%
The woman who first came up with
computer code was Ada Lovelace.

00:36:56.910 --> 00:36:58.780 align:middle line:84%
So it's been around
for some time.

00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:02.040 align:middle line:84%
But more recently, schools
have realized how important

00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:05.910 align:middle line:84%
it is for kids to be
able to use technology,

00:37:05.910 --> 00:37:08.760 align:middle line:84%
to understand how to
use computers as well,

00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:10.200 align:middle line:90%
in the professional setting.

00:37:10.200 --> 00:37:13.900 align:middle line:84%
And also to be able to
use technology safely.

00:37:13.900 --> 00:37:16.680 align:middle line:84%
And so this is the
opportunity where

00:37:16.680 --> 00:37:18.270 align:middle line:84%
we've kind of
backpedaled to give them

00:37:18.270 --> 00:37:19.437 align:middle line:90%
the training that they need.

00:37:23.830 --> 00:37:27.840 align:middle line:84%
Now, when we talk about
the language in English

00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.900 align:middle line:84%
for computer science,
it's still evolving.

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:34.080 align:middle line:84%
The language itself
is developing.

00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:37.890 align:middle line:84%
The different tags that
are being picked up.

00:37:37.890 --> 00:37:43.140 align:middle line:84%
All of that is relatively new
in English, and likewise in ASL.

00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:49.960 align:middle line:84%
However, in ASL, the
standardized signs

00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:54.668 align:middle line:84%
are not as readily available
as they might be in English,

00:37:54.668 --> 00:37:55.960 align:middle line:90%
because there are fewer people.

00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:59.590 align:middle line:84%
So it's evolving, but
evolving more slowly

00:37:59.590 --> 00:38:02.350 align:middle line:84%
than the computer science
language is in English.

00:38:02.350 --> 00:38:06.220 align:middle line:84%
Because it's not as commonly
used and not as many

00:38:06.220 --> 00:38:07.555 align:middle line:90%
people are as familiar.

00:38:13.420 --> 00:38:16.510 align:middle line:84%
So there are often
not standardized signs

00:38:16.510 --> 00:38:20.030 align:middle line:84%
for computer
science terminology,

00:38:20.030 --> 00:38:26.260 align:middle line:84%
so you might see signs like,
for example, the word algorithm.

00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:28.960 align:middle line:84%
One person might
sign it this way,

00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.510 align:middle line:84%
and then another person
might sign it like this.

00:38:31.510 --> 00:38:34.030 align:middle line:90%
More like a rule.

00:38:34.030 --> 00:38:36.010 align:middle line:90%
Just showing the concept of it.

00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:39.350 align:middle line:84%
And you'll see that those
two signs don't look similar,

00:38:39.350 --> 00:38:40.840 align:middle line:90%
but they're still related.

00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.240 align:middle line:84%
And so that's what's really
happening across the board

00:38:43.240 --> 00:38:48.520 align:middle line:84%
now in ASL, where the
language is still evolving

00:38:48.520 --> 00:38:52.135 align:middle line:84%
and those that are in the field
are developing those signs.

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:01.850 align:middle line:84%
Keep in mind that interpreters
and captions are not perfect.

00:39:01.850 --> 00:39:04.100 align:middle line:84%
It's affected by their
level of understanding,

00:39:04.100 --> 00:39:07.430 align:middle line:84%
as well as how well they
are able to match up

00:39:07.430 --> 00:39:10.200 align:middle line:90%
with the teacher's language.

00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:18.470 align:middle line:84%
And you'll see
things on YouTube,

00:39:18.470 --> 00:39:20.200 align:middle line:84%
for example, when
you're watching,

00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:24.340 align:middle line:84%
if you look at the automatic
captions, they're just awful.

00:39:24.340 --> 00:39:27.490 align:middle line:84%
And so it often depends
on the technology.

00:39:31.030 --> 00:39:35.890 align:middle line:84%
And someone who is speaking in
English, and then the captions

00:39:35.890 --> 00:39:37.780 align:middle line:84%
do not match up,
especially when you're

00:39:37.780 --> 00:39:41.410 align:middle line:84%
talking about terminology,
it's very difficult to follow.

00:39:50.540 --> 00:39:53.420 align:middle line:84%
Generally speaking, I teach
middle school and high school

00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:55.250 align:middle line:90%
computer science.

00:39:55.250 --> 00:40:01.700 align:middle line:84%
And my very first approach with
students is just to show them

00:40:01.700 --> 00:40:04.040 align:middle line:90%
how to make mistakes.

00:40:04.040 --> 00:40:06.320 align:middle line:84%
I will, on purpose,
make mistakes

00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.570 align:middle line:84%
and put them up for
the students to see.

00:40:08.570 --> 00:40:11.750 align:middle line:84%
And I will mess up
something just to show them

00:40:11.750 --> 00:40:16.160 align:middle line:84%
and to help to show them how
to respond appropriately.

00:40:16.160 --> 00:40:20.660 align:middle line:84%
And then, I want them
to see that it doesn't

00:40:20.660 --> 00:40:22.400 align:middle line:84%
have to be upsetting
them where you

00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:24.470 align:middle line:84%
need to throw an iPad
because you made a mistake.

00:40:24.470 --> 00:40:26.360 align:middle line:90%
But mistakes were OK.

00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.000 align:middle line:84%
You just take it the
opportunity to look into it

00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.610 align:middle line:90%
and find out how to fix it.

00:40:31.610 --> 00:40:33.920 align:middle line:84%
Other times, students
will ask me questions

00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.100 align:middle line:90%
and I may know the answer.

00:40:37.100 --> 00:40:38.890 align:middle line:90%
But sometimes, I don't.

00:40:38.890 --> 00:40:40.910 align:middle line:84%
A lot of times, I
don't know the answer.

00:40:40.910 --> 00:40:44.120 align:middle line:90%
And so I tell them that.

00:40:44.120 --> 00:40:47.610 align:middle line:84%
I want them to see that
it's OK to make mistakes.

00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:50.520 align:middle line:84%
I want them to know that
it's OK to ask for help.

00:40:50.520 --> 00:40:52.670 align:middle line:90%
And to find out ways to fix it.

00:40:52.670 --> 00:40:55.870 align:middle line:90%
I never touch their code.

00:40:55.870 --> 00:40:59.440 align:middle line:90%
I never use their device.

00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:01.780 align:middle line:84%
I let them know that
it's OK to make mistakes,

00:41:01.780 --> 00:41:04.510 align:middle line:84%
because when they make
mistakes, they're able to learn.

00:41:04.510 --> 00:41:06.920 align:middle line:84%
And I walk them through
how to find a solution.

00:41:10.680 --> 00:41:12.580 align:middle line:84%
But I would never
give them the answer,

00:41:12.580 --> 00:41:14.330 align:middle line:84%
because I think that
that's a skill that's

00:41:14.330 --> 00:41:16.700 align:middle line:84%
important for them, as they
develop and they go along

00:41:16.700 --> 00:41:19.370 align:middle line:84%
their own journeys to figure
out how to find the answers

00:41:19.370 --> 00:41:22.280 align:middle line:84%
and how to make mistakes,
and to learn from them.

00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.380 align:middle line:84%
To teach them how to
develop the skills to be

00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:28.730 align:middle line:84%
able to improve and to
analyze and to learn,

00:41:28.730 --> 00:41:31.820 align:middle line:84%
and to develop time
management skills.

00:41:31.820 --> 00:41:34.340 align:middle line:84%
I know in the past
I've made mistakes,

00:41:34.340 --> 00:41:37.280 align:middle line:84%
and then it takes
three hours to go back

00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.340 align:middle line:90%
and to fix one semicolon.

00:41:40.340 --> 00:41:43.298 align:middle line:84%
But then, I know that the
next time I come across

00:41:43.298 --> 00:41:44.840 align:middle line:84%
that, I won't make
that same mistake.

00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:51.850 align:middle line:84%
Going back to the
example of YouTube,

00:41:51.850 --> 00:41:56.810 align:middle line:90%
or the website W3 for schools.

00:41:56.810 --> 00:42:01.940 align:middle line:84%
Looking at those different
types of resources and the tags,

00:42:01.940 --> 00:42:03.560 align:middle line:90%
there will help them--

00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:05.840 align:middle line:84%
if I don't know the
answer, I teach them

00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:10.010 align:middle line:84%
how to find the answer
on YouTube or W3.

00:42:10.010 --> 00:42:11.720 align:middle line:84%
How to search for
the information

00:42:11.720 --> 00:42:14.920 align:middle line:84%
that they need to
help themselves, using

00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:17.590 align:middle line:90%
key words using the internet.

00:42:21.488 --> 00:42:23.030 align:middle line:84%
I think that that's
a really good way

00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:25.430 align:middle line:84%
to help them to learn how
to find the information.

00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.640 align:middle line:84%
I can't emphasize
enough how important

00:42:32.640 --> 00:42:38.110 align:middle line:84%
it is to present them
with small challenges.

00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:41.290 align:middle line:84%
Not to just jump right
into a 3 week long project,

00:42:41.290 --> 00:42:45.760 align:middle line:84%
but to make baby steps and start
with those smaller projects

00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:49.180 align:middle line:84%
or divide bigger projects
up into smaller segments.

00:42:49.180 --> 00:42:53.710 align:middle line:84%
That way, they can catch
those mistakes earlier and fix

00:42:53.710 --> 00:42:56.570 align:middle line:90%
those mistakes piece by piece.

00:42:56.570 --> 00:42:59.290 align:middle line:84%
And then, when they
take each segment,

00:42:59.290 --> 00:43:01.540 align:middle line:84%
they're going to end up
with a better end product

00:43:01.540 --> 00:43:03.790 align:middle line:84%
and it's going to decrease
their frustration,

00:43:03.790 --> 00:43:05.930 align:middle line:84%
and give them some
pride in their work.

00:43:12.980 --> 00:43:21.750 align:middle line:84%
Peer or pair projects, where
two kids work together,

00:43:21.750 --> 00:43:26.210 align:middle line:84%
where you have one
person that is the driver

00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:27.410 align:middle line:90%
and then you have--

00:43:27.410 --> 00:43:30.680 align:middle line:84%
they are the only one who's
actually touching the computer.

00:43:30.680 --> 00:43:34.730 align:middle line:84%
Actually inputting the code,
working in the program.

00:43:34.730 --> 00:43:38.480 align:middle line:84%
And then, the other person
that is part of that pair

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:40.040 align:middle line:90%
is the navigator.

00:43:40.040 --> 00:43:42.410 align:middle line:90%
They give them directions only.

00:43:42.410 --> 00:43:44.345 align:middle line:84%
They don't actually
touch the computer.

00:43:46.930 --> 00:43:50.500 align:middle line:84%
Now, with deaf kids,
having them pair--

00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:52.990 align:middle line:84%
having a deaf kid
and a hearing kid,

00:43:52.990 --> 00:43:57.240 align:middle line:84%
that can present challenges
as far as communication,

00:43:57.240 --> 00:44:01.110 align:middle line:84%
and how they can learn
to work together.

00:44:01.110 --> 00:44:04.020 align:middle line:84%
You might see them looking
at each other, making faces,

00:44:04.020 --> 00:44:05.940 align:middle line:90%
not knowing how to do it.

00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:10.570 align:middle line:84%
That gives them an opportunity
to either work it out,

00:44:10.570 --> 00:44:13.630 align:middle line:84%
it lets one person actually
open up the program

00:44:13.630 --> 00:44:16.400 align:middle line:90%
and look at the code.

00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.060 align:middle line:84%
And then the other
person might be

00:44:19.060 --> 00:44:23.020 align:middle line:84%
able to open up a Word
document on another computer

00:44:23.020 --> 00:44:26.650 align:middle line:84%
or their notepad and
actually type in English

00:44:26.650 --> 00:44:28.360 align:middle line:90%
what those instructions are.

00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.610 align:middle line:84%
Then the driver can
look over and see what

00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:33.300 align:middle line:90%
the navigator is typing out.

00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:35.590 align:middle line:84%
You can give them
15 to 20 minutes

00:44:35.590 --> 00:44:38.460 align:middle line:90%
and then have them switch roles.

00:44:38.460 --> 00:44:41.670 align:middle line:84%
Or you can open up separate
tabs on the computer

00:44:41.670 --> 00:44:46.290 align:middle line:84%
and then they can swap over,
so that they switch roles.

00:44:46.290 --> 00:44:48.570 align:middle line:84%
And the other one gets
to become the driver,

00:44:48.570 --> 00:44:49.860 align:middle line:90%
and the other the navigator.

00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:51.360 align:middle line:84%
That way, they get
that opportunity

00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.660 align:middle line:84%
to learn communication
skills, and learn

00:44:54.660 --> 00:44:57.300 align:middle line:84%
how to help their partner
to understand better.

00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:00.020 align:middle line:84%
And it also helps them with
their coding at the same time.

00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:09.380 align:middle line:84%
One of the skills that
they learn by doing that

00:45:09.380 --> 00:45:11.090 align:middle line:84%
is learning how to
work with somebody

00:45:11.090 --> 00:45:14.150 align:middle line:84%
who's different than themselves,
which is an important life

00:45:14.150 --> 00:45:15.840 align:middle line:90%
skill.

00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.890 align:middle line:84%
So if you have a hearing
student and deaf student working

00:45:18.890 --> 00:45:21.740 align:middle line:84%
together, that gives
them the opportunity

00:45:21.740 --> 00:45:25.340 align:middle line:84%
to see the potential
of the other students.

00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:28.220 align:middle line:84%
The deaf student
might be brilliant,

00:45:28.220 --> 00:45:31.670 align:middle line:84%
and it gives that hearing
student the opportunity

00:45:31.670 --> 00:45:34.190 align:middle line:90%
to see and to learn from that.

00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:35.970 align:middle line:84%
Now, when you have
a kid that says,

00:45:35.970 --> 00:45:36.770 align:middle line:84%
I want to work
with the deaf kid,

00:45:36.770 --> 00:45:38.145 align:middle line:84%
I want to work
with the deaf kid,

00:45:38.145 --> 00:45:39.680 align:middle line:90%
I wouldn't choose that student.

00:45:39.680 --> 00:45:43.490 align:middle line:84%
I would choose
someone else who would

00:45:43.490 --> 00:45:46.270 align:middle line:84%
be able to get that
opportunity to--

00:45:49.120 --> 00:45:52.810 align:middle line:84%
I don't want someone to
say this is my deaf friend

00:45:52.810 --> 00:45:54.970 align:middle line:90%
and be seeking attention.

00:45:58.490 --> 00:46:02.570 align:middle line:84%
So I suggest pairing
a deaf student maybe

00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:05.090 align:middle line:84%
with another more quiet
student in your class

00:46:05.090 --> 00:46:12.490 align:middle line:84%
or another student who maybe
has some little meltdowns

00:46:12.490 --> 00:46:17.950 align:middle line:84%
or someone who is not as
motivated academically.

00:46:17.950 --> 00:46:22.140 align:middle line:84%
It gives them an opportunity
to learn from one another.

00:46:29.210 --> 00:46:31.930 align:middle line:84%
I like to use to
specific programs

00:46:31.930 --> 00:46:35.450 align:middle line:84%
for teaching computer
science in particular.

00:46:35.450 --> 00:46:39.100 align:middle line:84%
The first one is
called Code.org,

00:46:39.100 --> 00:46:41.050 align:middle line:90%
and it's a free program.

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:43.420 align:middle line:84%
It's a free website
for teachers,

00:46:43.420 --> 00:46:46.570 align:middle line:84%
where you can register,
you can set up an account,

00:46:46.570 --> 00:46:49.390 align:middle line:84%
and you can register
your students

00:46:49.390 --> 00:46:51.550 align:middle line:84%
in your classroom, where
they're able to work

00:46:51.550 --> 00:46:55.280 align:middle line:84%
through that site
at advancing levels.

00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.520 align:middle line:84%
And one of the things
that I like about that

00:46:57.520 --> 00:47:05.140 align:middle line:84%
is that Code.org very strongly
believes in meeting kids

00:47:05.140 --> 00:47:08.090 align:middle line:90%
where they are.

00:47:08.090 --> 00:47:11.330 align:middle line:84%
Even if you have a
high school students

00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:16.100 align:middle line:84%
that can create an entire
website from scratch

00:47:16.100 --> 00:47:18.200 align:middle line:84%
or if you have a
student who has never

00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:20.930 align:middle line:84%
had any experience
with computer science,

00:47:20.930 --> 00:47:26.750 align:middle line:84%
Code.org believes that
any child can do coding.

00:47:26.750 --> 00:47:30.440 align:middle line:84%
And so they meet the
child where they are at,

00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:31.600 align:middle line:90%
at their current level.

00:47:36.820 --> 00:47:39.630 align:middle line:84%
And my first teaching experience
at a high school level,

00:47:39.630 --> 00:47:43.830 align:middle line:84%
those students had never taken
a computer science class before.

00:47:43.830 --> 00:47:46.590 align:middle line:84%
They had not done any
coding at all in the past.

00:47:46.590 --> 00:47:49.620 align:middle line:90%
They came in completely fresh.

00:47:49.620 --> 00:47:51.420 align:middle line:90%
They use technology every day.

00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:54.360 align:middle line:84%
I mean, our kids are obsessed
with technology, obsessed

00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:56.130 align:middle line:84%
with their iPads
and their iPhones

00:47:56.130 --> 00:47:58.980 align:middle line:84%
and their Facebook
and their Instagram.

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:02.850 align:middle line:84%
And they use the technology,
but they've never

00:48:02.850 --> 00:48:05.820 align:middle line:90%
created any of those programs.

00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:07.650 align:middle line:84%
So this was the
opportunity to be

00:48:07.650 --> 00:48:10.950 align:middle line:84%
able to teach them how to use
it appropriately, to use it

00:48:10.950 --> 00:48:14.910 align:middle line:84%
safely, and to develop the
skills that they needed to not

00:48:14.910 --> 00:48:19.175 align:middle line:90%
have to rely on their teachers.

00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.890 align:middle line:84%
So Code.org was really
nice because it met them

00:48:27.890 --> 00:48:29.390 align:middle line:90%
at their level.

00:48:29.390 --> 00:48:35.740 align:middle line:84%
They start out with
computer science principles.

00:48:35.740 --> 00:48:38.630 align:middle line:84%
And that was really quite
advanced for a high school

00:48:38.630 --> 00:48:39.130 align:middle line:90%
level.

00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:42.110 align:middle line:84%
It didn't match the students
that I was working with.

00:48:42.110 --> 00:48:45.220 align:middle line:84%
And so I bumped it down
to a middle school level

00:48:45.220 --> 00:48:47.290 align:middle line:90%
for that particular class.

00:48:47.290 --> 00:48:50.970 align:middle line:84%
And the students
didn't know that.

00:48:50.970 --> 00:48:53.310 align:middle line:84%
Nothing on their
computer screen said

00:48:53.310 --> 00:48:57.510 align:middle line:84%
this is sixth grade
material, so they were--

00:48:57.510 --> 00:48:58.710 align:middle line:90%
they didn't know.

00:48:58.710 --> 00:49:00.840 align:middle line:84%
They were just
picking up coding.

00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:03.060 align:middle line:90%
They were using HTML.

00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:04.980 align:middle line:84%
They were working
on their website.

00:49:04.980 --> 00:49:06.720 align:middle line:90%
None the wiser.

00:49:06.720 --> 00:49:10.440 align:middle line:84%
And so when they were ready
to advance to the high school

00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.830 align:middle line:84%
level, then I opened up
that next level for them.

00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:20.910 align:middle line:84%
For middle school,
for those that

00:49:20.910 --> 00:49:23.010 align:middle line:84%
are not ready for the
middle school level,

00:49:23.010 --> 00:49:25.810 align:middle line:84%
there's also an
elementary level.

00:49:25.810 --> 00:49:28.800 align:middle line:84%
So I started that group out
at fourth or fifth grade.

00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.060 align:middle line:84%
And then when you see that
that's a little bit easy--

00:49:33.580 --> 00:49:35.290 align:middle line:90%
or it was a little bit easy.

00:49:35.290 --> 00:49:36.890 align:middle line:84%
But one of the nice
things was that it

00:49:36.890 --> 00:49:39.810 align:middle line:84%
helped them to learn
the terminology,

00:49:39.810 --> 00:49:41.750 align:middle line:84%
and then to set them
up for the next level.

00:49:45.180 --> 00:49:47.090 align:middle line:84%
So if you have deaf
and hard of hearing

00:49:47.090 --> 00:49:51.740 align:middle line:84%
students or really any
students who are falling behind

00:49:51.740 --> 00:49:56.210 align:middle line:84%
in reading Code.org is
a really nice program,

00:49:56.210 --> 00:49:58.910 align:middle line:84%
because they don't mean to be
able to have a high reading

00:49:58.910 --> 00:49:59.840 align:middle line:90%
level.

00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.270 align:middle line:84%
Most of the information
is in videos

00:50:02.270 --> 00:50:07.020 align:middle line:84%
and it is captioned with
kid friendly captions.

00:50:07.020 --> 00:50:10.800 align:middle line:84%
It's not using large
words, huge vocabulary.

00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.380 align:middle line:84%
It's using everyday
language and helping them

00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:14.910 align:middle line:90%
to understand what it means.

00:50:14.910 --> 00:50:20.120 align:middle line:84%
It's very visual,
and it shows how

00:50:20.120 --> 00:50:23.565 align:middle line:84%
each of those pieces of code
fit together and how they run.

00:50:23.565 --> 00:50:29.230 align:middle line:84%
And it shows it in
yellow when it's running,

00:50:29.230 --> 00:50:33.260 align:middle line:84%
so they're able to see where
it is in reading the code.

00:50:33.260 --> 00:50:36.050 align:middle line:90%
So it's very visual.

00:50:36.050 --> 00:50:38.803 align:middle line:84%
And then they're
also able to see--

00:50:38.803 --> 00:50:40.845 align:middle line:84%
it's much easier for them
to find their mistakes.

00:50:46.030 --> 00:50:47.980 align:middle line:84%
The other program
that I like to use

00:50:47.980 --> 00:50:52.570 align:middle line:84%
is a little bit more open
ended and it's from MIT.

00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.260 align:middle line:90%
And it's called scratch.MIT.edu.

00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:09.120 align:middle line:84%
And this one helps
them to use basic code,

00:51:09.120 --> 00:51:15.290 align:middle line:84%
but with less guidance, less
step by step instruction.

00:51:15.290 --> 00:51:19.850 align:middle line:84%
So it allows them to be
more creative in making

00:51:19.850 --> 00:51:24.470 align:middle line:84%
their own projects,
which is nice some.

00:51:24.470 --> 00:51:26.810 align:middle line:84%
For those who are
motivated and who

00:51:26.810 --> 00:51:29.450 align:middle line:84%
are willing to explore
and to play around

00:51:29.450 --> 00:51:30.920 align:middle line:90%
and to make mistakes.

00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:34.040 align:middle line:84%
Some kids though, are
not very comfortable

00:51:34.040 --> 00:51:37.970 align:middle line:84%
with that type of
approach, and they

00:51:37.970 --> 00:51:42.050 align:middle line:84%
prefer to use
Code.org because they

00:51:42.050 --> 00:51:43.730 align:middle line:84%
feel like it's too
much information

00:51:43.730 --> 00:51:46.520 align:middle line:84%
and they don't know
quite what to do with it.

00:51:46.520 --> 00:51:49.310 align:middle line:84%
Whereas the Code.org
is more a step by step,

00:51:49.310 --> 00:51:52.260 align:middle line:90%
more guided instruction.

00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:54.780 align:middle line:84%
And when you finish
a particular level,

00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:56.510 align:middle line:90%
you move on to the next level.

00:52:01.530 --> 00:52:06.600 align:middle line:84%
Just one thought I wanted to
share when looking at the MIT

00:52:06.600 --> 00:52:09.330 align:middle line:90%
program or scratch.MIT.

00:52:09.330 --> 00:52:12.630 align:middle line:90%
It is accessible for--

00:52:17.170 --> 00:52:19.367 align:middle line:84%
it will be more
accessible for deaf

00:52:19.367 --> 00:52:20.575 align:middle line:90%
and hard of hearing students.

00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:27.110 align:middle line:90%
I have a contract with them--

00:52:27.110 --> 00:52:34.450 align:middle line:84%
with their team, where they are
in the process of filming me

00:52:34.450 --> 00:52:38.560 align:middle line:84%
give the instructions in
ASL, so that a student will

00:52:38.560 --> 00:52:42.310 align:middle line:84%
be able to click
on certain content,

00:52:42.310 --> 00:52:45.370 align:middle line:84%
and then it will pull up
a video of me signing it.

00:52:50.910 --> 00:52:52.800 align:middle line:84%
I'm not sure when
that will be released,

00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:56.290 align:middle line:90%
but it's a work in progress.

00:52:56.290 --> 00:52:59.680 align:middle line:90%
And it will be coming soon.

00:52:59.680 --> 00:53:01.930 align:middle line:84%
Sometime at least
before I retire.

00:53:01.930 --> 00:53:03.100 align:middle line:90%
I don't know when, though.

00:53:03.100 --> 00:53:04.420 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHTER]

00:53:04.420 --> 00:53:06.580 align:middle line:84%
So, sometime within
the next 40 years.

00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:18.620 align:middle line:84%
So this is a very fun
remember-- fun memory.

00:53:18.620 --> 00:53:20.270 align:middle line:84%
When I taught my
first class here

00:53:20.270 --> 00:53:25.580 align:middle line:84%
at Indiana School
for the Deaf, I

00:53:25.580 --> 00:53:27.890 align:middle line:84%
was teaching a high
school level class.

00:53:27.890 --> 00:53:31.190 align:middle line:84%
But with that particular
group of students,

00:53:31.190 --> 00:53:38.780 align:middle line:84%
they did not have any or
very little content-level

00:53:38.780 --> 00:53:40.020 align:middle line:90%
understanding.

00:53:40.020 --> 00:53:46.890 align:middle line:84%
And so, like I said, I opened
up the class at a middle school

00:53:46.890 --> 00:53:51.180 align:middle line:84%
level on coding.org, and they
were able to pick that up.

00:53:51.180 --> 00:53:53.490 align:middle line:90%
And by the end of the semester--

00:53:53.490 --> 00:53:55.140 align:middle line:84%
so halfway through
that school year,

00:53:55.140 --> 00:53:57.090 align:middle line:90%
they were ready to go ahead.

00:53:57.090 --> 00:54:00.930 align:middle line:84%
And that group of students
went to the governor's office

00:54:00.930 --> 00:54:03.750 align:middle line:84%
and shared the project that
they were able to make.

00:54:03.750 --> 00:54:06.090 align:middle line:84%
So that was a really
cool experience

00:54:06.090 --> 00:54:10.270 align:middle line:84%
that I was able to do that,
so I haven't failed yet.

00:54:10.270 --> 00:54:14.860 align:middle line:90%
[LAUGHTER]

00:54:14.860 --> 00:54:17.140 align:middle line:84%
Another class that I had
was a middle school group

00:54:17.140 --> 00:54:20.710 align:middle line:84%
of students who
were at grade level

00:54:20.710 --> 00:54:23.050 align:middle line:84%
for reading and
writing, and math

00:54:23.050 --> 00:54:25.950 align:middle line:84%
and didn't have
any issues at all.

00:54:25.950 --> 00:54:29.560 align:middle line:84%
So that was a pretty easy
class to work through.

00:54:29.560 --> 00:54:32.690 align:middle line:84%
And coding.org, they
made great progress.

00:54:32.690 --> 00:54:33.970 align:middle line:90%
We had a lot of fun.

00:54:33.970 --> 00:54:36.850 align:middle line:84%
They were able to create a
lot of their own projects.

00:54:36.850 --> 00:54:42.670 align:middle line:84%
And I have to say, though,
that one of my best classes

00:54:42.670 --> 00:54:46.570 align:middle line:84%
ever was actually a life skills
class at the middle school

00:54:46.570 --> 00:54:48.080 align:middle line:90%
level.

00:54:48.080 --> 00:54:54.510 align:middle line:84%
Now, this group of
kids, some of them

00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:59.160 align:middle line:84%
aren't even able to walk to
the cafeteria on their own.

00:54:59.160 --> 00:55:03.980 align:middle line:84%
Some are not able to go to
the restroom on their own.

00:55:03.980 --> 00:55:07.330 align:middle line:84%
This is a group of students that
will not be going to college.

00:55:07.330 --> 00:55:10.810 align:middle line:84%
They're working on
independent living skills.

00:55:10.810 --> 00:55:14.830 align:middle line:84%
And some of them will probably
go on to live in group homes

00:55:14.830 --> 00:55:16.580 align:middle line:84%
or continue to live
with their parents.

00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:19.720 align:middle line:84%
So this was the educational
level of the students

00:55:19.720 --> 00:55:20.953 align:middle line:90%
that I was working with.

00:55:20.953 --> 00:55:22.870 align:middle line:84%
And so I was asked to
teach a computer science

00:55:22.870 --> 00:55:28.460 align:middle line:84%
class to this group
of students, and I

00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:32.060 align:middle line:84%
asked but my administrator
said, OK, well,

00:55:32.060 --> 00:55:34.370 align:middle line:90%
I guess it can't hurt.

00:55:34.370 --> 00:55:36.050 align:middle line:90%
So I said, why not?

00:55:36.050 --> 00:55:39.350 align:middle line:84%
I felt like they would
be able to benefit.

00:55:39.350 --> 00:55:41.600 align:middle line:84%
It's still good
experience for them.

00:55:41.600 --> 00:55:43.310 align:middle line:90%
They can learn problem solving.

00:55:43.310 --> 00:55:48.980 align:middle line:84%
They can learn how to identify
mistakes, to identify shapes,

00:55:48.980 --> 00:55:54.770 align:middle line:84%
to learn patience, to learn
how to respond to frustration

00:55:54.770 --> 00:55:58.460 align:middle line:84%
better, to not totally lose
it if they make a mistake

00:55:58.460 --> 00:56:00.450 align:middle line:90%
or become frustrated.

00:56:00.450 --> 00:56:02.990 align:middle line:84%
So when I asked to do
this, my administrators

00:56:02.990 --> 00:56:04.940 align:middle line:90%
went ahead and approved it.

00:56:04.940 --> 00:56:09.300 align:middle line:84%
And I was amazed that
they could do everything.

00:56:11.870 --> 00:56:15.620 align:middle line:84%
The terminology
wasn't as important.

00:56:15.620 --> 00:56:18.360 align:middle line:84%
They were able to still
understand the concepts,

00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:18.980 align:middle line:90%
though.

00:56:18.980 --> 00:56:21.590 align:middle line:84%
Because they were able
to do it hands on.

00:56:21.590 --> 00:56:26.240 align:middle line:84%
They actually had the
skills to watch the videos

00:56:26.240 --> 00:56:29.530 align:middle line:90%
and to do it on their own.

00:56:29.530 --> 00:56:35.220 align:middle line:84%
One of the students was deaf
and blind, and in a wheelchair.

00:56:35.220 --> 00:56:39.570 align:middle line:84%
And she did much
better than I expected.

00:56:39.570 --> 00:56:43.410 align:middle line:84%
She actually did much
better than her aid

00:56:43.410 --> 00:56:46.510 align:middle line:90%
or her parents expected.

00:56:46.510 --> 00:56:51.490 align:middle line:84%
And she was able to use
different tools or toys

00:56:51.490 --> 00:56:56.860 align:middle line:84%
from preschool
with lights to look

00:56:56.860 --> 00:56:59.560 align:middle line:84%
at the programming
for those toys,

00:56:59.560 --> 00:57:05.170 align:middle line:84%
and to navigate
based on the feeling,

00:57:05.170 --> 00:57:11.050 align:middle line:84%
based on the limited
vision that she did have.

00:57:11.050 --> 00:57:16.390 align:middle line:84%
And she did much better
than anyone expected her to.

00:57:16.390 --> 00:57:20.350 align:middle line:84%
Interestingly, her
behavior improved,

00:57:20.350 --> 00:57:23.440 align:middle line:84%
her frustration at
school improved.

00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:27.980 align:middle line:84%
She didn't cry or
scream or anything.

00:57:27.980 --> 00:57:30.400 align:middle line:90%
She did so much better.

00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:33.460 align:middle line:84%
I think it was because she
had some pride in herself,

00:57:33.460 --> 00:57:34.630 align:middle line:90%
in the work she was doing.

00:57:39.450 --> 00:57:44.220 align:middle line:84%
Now, with computer science, if
you're just beginning to teach

00:57:44.220 --> 00:57:46.770 align:middle line:84%
or if it's a new program
that's being adopted

00:57:46.770 --> 00:57:51.300 align:middle line:84%
into your school's curriculum,
it can be a huge undertaking.

00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:57.000 align:middle line:84%
There can be a large gap
between the levels of students.

00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:58.710 align:middle line:84%
You're going to have
students who come

00:57:58.710 --> 00:58:00.710 align:middle line:90%
in with no technology at home.

00:58:04.330 --> 00:58:07.480 align:middle line:84%
You might have someone
from a poor family

00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:12.130 align:middle line:84%
or maybe it doesn't match
with their religious beliefs

00:58:12.130 --> 00:58:16.750 align:middle line:84%
or they have limited
accessibility because of where

00:58:16.750 --> 00:58:17.930 align:middle line:90%
they live.

00:58:17.930 --> 00:58:22.930 align:middle line:84%
So for various reasons,
you might have students

00:58:22.930 --> 00:58:25.120 align:middle line:90%
that have little technology.

00:58:25.120 --> 00:58:26.890 align:middle line:84%
And then you might
have other students

00:58:26.890 --> 00:58:29.620 align:middle line:90%
that spend their summer coding.

00:58:29.620 --> 00:58:34.450 align:middle line:84%
So being able to meet your
students where they are.

00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.630 align:middle line:84%
You might have a huge gap in the
access that your students have.

00:58:42.630 --> 00:58:45.725 align:middle line:84%
And so it's really important
to meet them where they are.

00:58:45.725 --> 00:58:47.600 align:middle line:84%
And for those students
that are a bit behind,

00:58:47.600 --> 00:58:50.790 align:middle line:84%
help them to catch up with
the students that are further

00:58:50.790 --> 00:58:51.290 align:middle line:90%
ahead.

00:58:55.780 --> 00:59:02.020 align:middle line:84%
So that means that you may need
to make individual assignments,

00:59:02.020 --> 00:59:05.710 align:middle line:84%
more enrichment type
projects for your students

00:59:05.710 --> 00:59:09.040 align:middle line:84%
that are more advanced,
and then helping

00:59:09.040 --> 00:59:10.647 align:middle line:84%
your students that
are further behind,

00:59:10.647 --> 00:59:11.730 align:middle line:90%
so that they can catch up.

00:59:19.310 --> 00:59:21.560 align:middle line:84%
I can't emphasize
enough how important it

00:59:21.560 --> 00:59:26.660 align:middle line:84%
is for us to not assume that
just because our students use

00:59:26.660 --> 00:59:30.740 align:middle line:84%
technology, that they
understand what it means

00:59:30.740 --> 00:59:35.330 align:middle line:84%
and how to use it
appropriately and safely.

00:59:35.330 --> 00:59:37.760 align:middle line:84%
Especially when we
think about deaf

00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.170 align:middle line:84%
and hard of hearing students
and special needs students.

00:59:42.170 --> 00:59:48.570 align:middle line:84%
So many parents of children
with special needs,

00:59:48.570 --> 00:59:52.500 align:middle line:84%
if they are out in the community
at a restaurant or a grocery

00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:55.830 align:middle line:84%
store, you'll see them give
their phone or their iPad

00:59:55.830 --> 00:59:58.650 align:middle line:90%
to the child as a babysitter.

00:59:58.650 --> 01:00:01.560 align:middle line:84%
Just to keep them quiet
while they're out in public.

01:00:01.560 --> 01:00:05.160 align:middle line:84%
And so the kids
know how to use it,

01:00:05.160 --> 01:00:08.460 align:middle line:84%
but they might not always know
how to use it appropriately.

01:00:12.690 --> 01:00:15.360 align:middle line:84%
Sometimes, you will
see information

01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:17.540 align:middle line:84%
that's not age appropriate,
even if you're looking

01:00:17.540 --> 01:00:20.070 align:middle line:90%
at Facebook or Instagram.

01:00:20.070 --> 01:00:23.430 align:middle line:84%
So digital citizenship
is an important skill

01:00:23.430 --> 01:00:25.860 align:middle line:84%
that we need to be able
to teach our students

01:00:25.860 --> 01:00:30.660 align:middle line:84%
and learning how to use
the internet safely.

01:00:30.660 --> 01:00:34.290 align:middle line:84%
And also to be able to
block inappropriate material

01:00:34.290 --> 01:00:34.800 align:middle line:90%
for them.

01:00:39.890 --> 01:00:43.310 align:middle line:84%
Our kids now in middle
school and high school,

01:00:43.310 --> 01:00:47.930 align:middle line:90%
they're pretty much online 24/7.

01:00:47.930 --> 01:00:49.190 align:middle line:90%
Especially now.

01:00:49.190 --> 01:00:52.130 align:middle line:90%
Everyone's using Zoom.

01:00:52.130 --> 01:00:54.762 align:middle line:84%
They turn it off after class
and then they grab their phone

01:00:54.762 --> 01:00:55.970 align:middle line:90%
and they're texting somebody.

01:00:55.970 --> 01:00:58.880 align:middle line:84%
And then they put that
down and then they're

01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.850 align:middle line:84%
watching YouTube videos
while they're laying in bed.

01:01:01.850 --> 01:01:05.330 align:middle line:84%
And there's something
going day and night

01:01:05.330 --> 01:01:07.340 align:middle line:90%
for most of our students.

01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:11.850 align:middle line:84%
And sometimes they're not
always using it appropriately.

01:01:11.850 --> 01:01:15.380 align:middle line:84%
Also, it's important
to know that anything

01:01:15.380 --> 01:01:20.670 align:middle line:84%
that they post on the
internet stays there forever.

01:01:20.670 --> 01:01:22.950 align:middle line:90%
It's a digital footprint.

01:01:22.950 --> 01:01:24.860 align:middle line:84%
So we want to help
them to understand

01:01:24.860 --> 01:01:28.430 align:middle line:84%
that even if you delete it
and someone can't see it,

01:01:28.430 --> 01:01:31.460 align:middle line:84%
it doesn't mean that
no one can see it.

01:01:31.460 --> 01:01:37.760 align:middle line:84%
It might come up later when
you apply for a job or when--

01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.720 align:middle line:84%
and you could even lose your job
for some inappropriate material

01:01:41.720 --> 01:01:44.290 align:middle line:84%
that was posted
several years ago.

01:01:48.520 --> 01:01:50.890 align:middle line:84%
You hear it all the
time about a CEO

01:01:50.890 --> 01:01:54.070 align:middle line:84%
that gets fired because of a
comment that was discriminatory

01:01:54.070 --> 01:01:56.440 align:middle line:84%
that they posted
10 or 15 years ago,

01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.690 align:middle line:90%
or an inappropriate picture.

01:01:59.690 --> 01:02:02.930 align:middle line:84%
And then they lose everything
that they've worked for,

01:02:02.930 --> 01:02:05.270 align:middle line:90%
all of their accomplishments.

01:02:05.270 --> 01:02:12.370 align:middle line:84%
They lose their income and
everything from a single post

01:02:12.370 --> 01:02:17.210 align:middle line:84%
that they may have made when
they were young and dumb.

01:02:17.210 --> 01:02:19.820 align:middle line:84%
So keeping in mind
that we need to teach

01:02:19.820 --> 01:02:23.810 align:middle line:84%
our kids that these CEOs are
losing their jobs for something

01:02:23.810 --> 01:02:25.580 align:middle line:90%
they posted when they were 20.

01:02:25.580 --> 01:02:28.790 align:middle line:84%
So it's really important for
us to stress to our students

01:02:28.790 --> 01:02:32.180 align:middle line:84%
that are in their teens
about how important it

01:02:32.180 --> 01:02:39.250 align:middle line:84%
is to be careful about
what they are posting

01:02:39.250 --> 01:02:42.040 align:middle line:84%
and how to use the
internet safely,

01:02:42.040 --> 01:02:45.445 align:middle line:84%
and to make sure that they have
good results for the future.

01:02:52.190 --> 01:02:54.340 align:middle line:90%
So now, I like to show this.

01:02:54.340 --> 01:02:59.490 align:middle line:84%
I call it the state
of the states.

01:02:59.490 --> 01:03:01.600 align:middle line:90%
So, our current level.

01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:04.380 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER: So,
Beth, just a moment.

01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:07.490 align:middle line:90%
I put the link in the chat.

01:03:07.490 --> 01:03:10.630 align:middle line:84%
And so people can open
that up if they like.

01:03:10.630 --> 01:03:14.170 align:middle line:84%
And I think we're not going
to go off and do the activity

01:03:14.170 --> 01:03:18.430 align:middle line:84%
on the next slide, but just go
ahead and do your demonstration

01:03:18.430 --> 01:03:19.210 align:middle line:90%
on this website.

01:03:24.050 --> 01:03:25.950 align:middle line:90%
INTERPRETER: OK, great.

01:03:25.950 --> 01:03:27.290 align:middle line:90%
So I'll show you my state.

01:03:27.290 --> 01:03:29.510 align:middle line:84%
But if you're curious,
you can take a look

01:03:29.510 --> 01:03:34.130 align:middle line:84%
at this website to see how your
state is doing from the link

01:03:34.130 --> 01:03:35.885 align:middle line:84%
that Richard typed
into the chat.

01:03:39.467 --> 01:03:41.050 align:middle line:84%
And you could probably
Google it, too.

01:03:41.050 --> 01:03:42.550 align:middle line:90%
It's not hard to find.

01:03:42.550 --> 01:03:44.610 align:middle line:90%
It's code.org/promote/in.

01:03:52.950 --> 01:03:55.890 align:middle line:84%
So it will show you
what each state is

01:03:55.890 --> 01:04:00.980 align:middle line:84%
doing for computer
science standards, as well

01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:04.220 align:middle line:84%
as requirements in
education, what's

01:04:04.220 --> 01:04:07.310 align:middle line:84%
offered as far as computer
science in each state,

01:04:07.310 --> 01:04:11.000 align:middle line:84%
and what percentage of students
are using computer science

01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:13.010 align:middle line:90%
as part of their IEP--

01:04:13.010 --> 01:04:15.520 align:middle line:84%
or their individualized
education plan.

01:04:25.150 --> 01:04:29.800 align:middle line:84%
On the top, you'll see IN
general computer science

01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:33.760 align:middle line:90%
education statistics.

01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:40.010 align:middle line:84%
And then as you scroll
down, you'll see a map.

01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:45.475 align:middle line:84%
And then you can choose
whichever states.

01:04:49.660 --> 01:04:53.080 align:middle line:84%
So I chose Indiana, because
that's where I'm from.

01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:58.390 align:middle line:84%
So you can see that there
are over 4,000 open jobs

01:04:58.390 --> 01:05:01.340 align:middle line:90%
in the computer science field.

01:05:01.340 --> 01:05:04.167 align:middle line:84%
That's a lot of jobs
for today's economy.

01:05:10.020 --> 01:05:17.630 align:middle line:84%
It shows their starting
salary as well, as $77,000.

01:05:17.630 --> 01:05:21.410 align:middle line:84%
And then it also shows that
72% of public high schools

01:05:21.410 --> 01:05:24.260 align:middle line:90%
offer computer science classes.

01:05:24.260 --> 01:05:27.420 align:middle line:84%
Now, this doesn't tell us how
many students are taking them.

01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:32.370 align:middle line:84%
But it does show
us that 72% offer.

01:05:32.370 --> 01:05:38.700 align:middle line:84%
And then the next number shows
graduates in computer science--

01:05:38.700 --> 01:05:44.790 align:middle line:90%
2,347.

01:05:44.790 --> 01:05:48.710 align:middle line:84%
So that's about half
of the available jobs.

01:05:48.710 --> 01:05:52.040 align:middle line:84%
So we see that there are
4,000 and some vacancies,

01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:57.090 align:middle line:84%
and only 2,000 graduating
in those particular fields.

01:05:57.090 --> 01:06:02.537 align:middle line:84%
So we see an opportunity to be
able to invest in our students,

01:06:02.537 --> 01:06:04.745 align:middle line:84%
and our teachers to be able
to provide that training.

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:10.925 align:middle line:84%
We do require computer science
for all of our high school

01:06:10.925 --> 01:06:11.425 align:middle line:90%
students.

01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.950 align:middle line:84%
Not all of them take
it, but we do offer it.

01:06:21.990 --> 01:06:27.820 align:middle line:84%
And then the K-12 standards,
you can click on this,

01:06:27.820 --> 01:06:31.400 align:middle line:84%
and it will show you the
standards for the state

01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.600 align:middle line:90%
for each of those grade levels.

01:06:34.600 --> 01:06:36.295 align:middle line:90%
And then the AP stats.

01:06:41.040 --> 01:06:44.760 align:middle line:84%
You can see in some states
that it's incredible.

01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.120 align:middle line:90%
Like New York, for example.

01:06:46.120 --> 01:06:52.380 align:middle line:84%
20,000 available computing
jobs, and only 6,000 graduates.

01:06:52.380 --> 01:06:56.400 align:middle line:84%
And only 48% of the
schools teaching it.

01:06:56.400 --> 01:07:00.030 align:middle line:90%
Those aren't good statistics.

01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:02.580 align:middle line:90%
Or for example, Alaska.

01:07:02.580 --> 01:07:03.690 align:middle line:90%
They're doing pretty well.

01:07:08.040 --> 01:07:10.020 align:middle line:90%
Washington state, not bad.

01:07:15.290 --> 01:07:17.655 align:middle line:84%
So as you can see some
states do better than others.

01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:26.450 align:middle line:84%
So if you're curious
about your own home states

01:07:26.450 --> 01:07:30.230 align:middle line:84%
or whatever your
favorite college football

01:07:30.230 --> 01:07:31.640 align:middle line:84%
team is, if you
want to check out

01:07:31.640 --> 01:07:33.932 align:middle line:84%
what the stats are in their
state, you can take a look.

01:07:51.870 --> 01:07:55.350 align:middle line:84%
So it's really
important to take a look

01:07:55.350 --> 01:08:02.010 align:middle line:84%
at the situation as a whole, to
look at all of your students.

01:08:02.010 --> 01:08:04.680 align:middle line:84%
Not providing these computer
science classes just

01:08:04.680 --> 01:08:10.080 align:middle line:84%
for your college bound
classes, and for those that

01:08:10.080 --> 01:08:12.030 align:middle line:84%
are looking for
additional electives

01:08:12.030 --> 01:08:13.690 align:middle line:90%
to fill out their schedule.

01:08:13.690 --> 01:08:17.520 align:middle line:84%
But all of your students can
take computer science classes,

01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:21.420 align:middle line:84%
regardless of their needs,
regardless of their language

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:22.920 align:middle line:90%
or their disability.

01:08:22.920 --> 01:08:24.180 align:middle line:90%
They can all do it.

01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.170 align:middle line:90%
We'll skip the activity.

01:08:31.170 --> 01:08:33.750 align:middle line:84%
I just want to emphasize
how you can help your deaf

01:08:33.750 --> 01:08:37.279 align:middle line:90%
and hard of hearing students.

01:08:37.279 --> 01:08:41.330 align:middle line:90%
Be sure to read their IEP.

01:08:41.330 --> 01:08:43.910 align:middle line:84%
As their teacher,
it's really important

01:08:43.910 --> 01:08:48.390 align:middle line:84%
to request access, so that what
their individual needs are,

01:08:48.390 --> 01:08:50.479 align:middle line:84%
what their accommodations
are, so that you

01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.714 align:middle line:84%
can meet those educational needs
and to help them to improve

01:08:53.714 --> 01:08:54.589 align:middle line:90%
and learn their best.

01:08:58.340 --> 01:08:59.779 align:middle line:90%
Include them.

01:08:59.779 --> 01:09:01.750 align:middle line:90%
Inclusion is so important.

01:09:01.750 --> 01:09:04.939 align:middle line:84%
One thing that I've noticed
in public school settings

01:09:04.939 --> 01:09:12.390 align:middle line:84%
is, let's say, you have a
deaf student in a math class

01:09:12.390 --> 01:09:16.620 align:middle line:84%
and a social studies
and English, they

01:09:16.620 --> 01:09:21.420 align:middle line:84%
get pulled out for elective
classes or, for example,

01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:23.550 align:middle line:90%
foreign language--

01:09:23.550 --> 01:09:25.740 align:middle line:84%
they get pulled out
for computer science.

01:09:25.740 --> 01:09:31.350 align:middle line:84%
If you see that happening in
your school, please, step in.

01:09:31.350 --> 01:09:32.939 align:middle line:84%
Make sure you're
providing the support

01:09:32.939 --> 01:09:34.140 align:middle line:90%
that those students need.

01:09:37.960 --> 01:09:42.550 align:middle line:84%
Another thing that you can do
is if you have a presentation,

01:09:42.550 --> 01:09:47.170 align:middle line:84%
Google Slides will
provide auto captions.

01:09:47.170 --> 01:09:49.890 align:middle line:84%
So if you turn your
mic on the computer,

01:09:49.890 --> 01:09:52.170 align:middle line:90%
it will turn on auto captions.

01:09:52.170 --> 01:09:54.330 align:middle line:90%
And they're not too bad.

01:09:54.330 --> 01:09:56.010 align:middle line:90%
They're not perfect.

01:09:56.010 --> 01:09:59.670 align:middle line:84%
If you get too far away,
it won't pick up correctly

01:09:59.670 --> 01:10:04.770 align:middle line:84%
or if you have an accident, it
might not always pick it up.

01:10:04.770 --> 01:10:05.650 align:middle line:90%
But it is helpful.

01:10:09.970 --> 01:10:12.880 align:middle line:84%
If you do have interpreters
in your classroom,

01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:15.760 align:middle line:84%
please provide them with
prep materials in advance.

01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:17.740 align:middle line:90%
Give them a heads up.

01:10:17.740 --> 01:10:20.960 align:middle line:84%
If you can give them two or
three days ahead of time,

01:10:20.960 --> 01:10:23.560 align:middle line:84%
let them know what the topic
is, what you'll be discussing

01:10:23.560 --> 01:10:28.728 align:middle line:84%
or what the activities will
be, any important terminology.

01:10:28.728 --> 01:10:30.520 align:middle line:84%
That way, they can make
sure to be prepared

01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:32.290 align:middle line:90%
to have appropriate signs.

01:10:32.290 --> 01:10:35.380 align:middle line:84%
Because there's nothing worse
than being a deaf student

01:10:35.380 --> 01:10:37.360 align:middle line:84%
and watching an interpreter
try to figure out

01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:40.000 align:middle line:84%
the concept on
the fly, or having

01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.430 align:middle line:84%
them to spell out every single
word because they're not

01:10:42.430 --> 01:10:43.555 align:middle line:90%
familiar with the material.

01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:50.035 align:middle line:84%
If an interpreter just gets
the information right then

01:10:50.035 --> 01:10:51.580 align:middle line:84%
in the lesson, it's
going to be very

01:10:51.580 --> 01:10:56.940 align:middle line:84%
difficult to be able to
process that information.

01:10:56.940 --> 01:10:58.800 align:middle line:84%
Also, another thing
that is helpful.

01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.350 align:middle line:84%
If you're writing
on the board, please

01:11:01.350 --> 01:11:06.970 align:middle line:84%
do not talk and write
at the same time

01:11:06.970 --> 01:11:09.490 align:middle line:84%
because it makes it
difficult for the students

01:11:09.490 --> 01:11:11.690 align:middle line:90%
to catch all of the information.

01:11:11.690 --> 01:11:15.280 align:middle line:84%
And it's not just for the deaf
and hard of hearing students.

01:11:15.280 --> 01:11:17.550 align:middle line:84%
It's really beneficial
to all of your students.

01:11:17.550 --> 01:11:19.300 align:middle line:84%
And also, if you think
about it, while you

01:11:19.300 --> 01:11:20.675 align:middle line:84%
have your back to
the class, they

01:11:20.675 --> 01:11:22.610 align:middle line:84%
can be talking to one
another or texting.

01:11:22.610 --> 01:11:24.040 align:middle line:90%
So it's beneficial to you, too.

01:11:29.880 --> 01:11:35.230 align:middle line:84%
If you think about when you turn
around and look at the board

01:11:35.230 --> 01:11:37.690 align:middle line:84%
and you're writing notes,
the hearing students

01:11:37.690 --> 01:11:40.780 align:middle line:84%
are able to look away
and still have access.

01:11:40.780 --> 01:11:42.630 align:middle line:84%
However, the Deaf
students are not.

01:11:42.630 --> 01:11:45.130 align:middle line:84%
And you want to make sure that
you're providing equal access

01:11:45.130 --> 01:11:46.240 align:middle line:90%
to all of your students.

01:11:49.140 --> 01:11:50.390 align:middle line:90%
BETH KIMBALL: Ready to switch?

01:12:06.790 --> 01:12:10.990 align:middle line:84%
So your deaf students
need visual supports,

01:12:10.990 --> 01:12:14.980 align:middle line:90%
visual representations.

01:12:14.980 --> 01:12:20.760 align:middle line:84%
In English, one word can have
a whole host of different signs

01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:21.720 align:middle line:90%
that can be used.

01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:24.060 align:middle line:90%
And likewise, in ASL.

01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:27.720 align:middle line:84%
A sign can go to a
variety of English words.

01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.210 align:middle line:84%
So it's important
to provide visuals

01:12:30.210 --> 01:12:35.460 align:middle line:84%
to help the students connect
that word with the word that

01:12:35.460 --> 01:12:36.180 align:middle line:90%
should be used.

01:12:36.180 --> 01:12:38.490 align:middle line:84%
And it helps the interpreter
choose to the correct sign

01:12:38.490 --> 01:12:39.000 align:middle line:90%
as well.

01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:47.050 align:middle line:84%
It's helpful to use anchor
charts, such as those

01:12:47.050 --> 01:12:49.060 align:middle line:90%
that I have posted behind me.

01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:50.950 align:middle line:84%
That's beneficial
to all students.

01:12:53.810 --> 01:12:57.890 align:middle line:84%
They can get the information
on the presentation,

01:12:57.890 --> 01:13:00.590 align:middle line:84%
they can look down
at their notes.

01:13:00.590 --> 01:13:04.220 align:middle line:84%
They can look back up and still
refer and stay right on track

01:13:04.220 --> 01:13:05.557 align:middle line:90%
with the information.

01:13:10.030 --> 01:13:14.030 align:middle line:84%
Of course, once the
pandemic has ended,

01:13:14.030 --> 01:13:17.770 align:middle line:84%
we'll be able to go back to
having circular or U shaped

01:13:17.770 --> 01:13:18.730 align:middle line:90%
seating.

01:13:18.730 --> 01:13:20.900 align:middle line:84%
That's the best scenario
for deaf students,

01:13:20.900 --> 01:13:22.450 align:middle line:84%
so that they can
have a visual sight

01:13:22.450 --> 01:13:24.740 align:middle line:90%
line on all of the students.

01:13:24.740 --> 01:13:27.220 align:middle line:84%
It allows them to follow
who the speaker is.

01:13:30.550 --> 01:13:35.440 align:middle line:84%
Captioning should be
provided on all videos.

01:13:35.440 --> 01:13:37.390 align:middle line:90%
That's extremely helpful.

01:13:37.390 --> 01:13:42.760 align:middle line:84%
If you take advantage of
Teacher Pay Teacher videos,

01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.800 align:middle line:90%
those are not captioned.

01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.330 align:middle line:90%
Then they are not useful.

01:13:47.330 --> 01:13:50.560 align:middle line:84%
It is not fair to
expect an interpreter

01:13:50.560 --> 01:13:54.160 align:middle line:84%
to interpret all the information
that's provided in a video.

01:13:54.160 --> 01:13:56.180 align:middle line:90%
It's just not best practice.

01:13:56.180 --> 01:13:58.480 align:middle line:84%
So you want to find
accessible materials.

01:14:02.030 --> 01:14:07.050 align:middle line:84%
Most importantly, all
Deaf students need time.

01:14:09.830 --> 01:14:13.070 align:middle line:84%
Kids that can hear have the
opportunity to look down,

01:14:13.070 --> 01:14:17.125 align:middle line:84%
continue to listen while
looking at their paper

01:14:17.125 --> 01:14:19.240 align:middle line:90%
or referring to something else.

01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:23.500 align:middle line:84%
Look at a, click on b,
referring to their computer

01:14:23.500 --> 01:14:24.990 align:middle line:90%
and listening at the same time.

01:14:24.990 --> 01:14:29.890 align:middle line:84%
That student cannot look at
their computer and listen

01:14:29.890 --> 01:14:33.250 align:middle line:84%
to instruction at the same time,
because they need that visual

01:14:33.250 --> 01:14:34.300 align:middle line:90%
sight line.

01:14:34.300 --> 01:14:36.820 align:middle line:84%
So give the example,
take a pause,

01:14:36.820 --> 01:14:39.160 align:middle line:84%
let the students
follow that step.

01:14:39.160 --> 01:14:41.920 align:middle line:84%
Then, give another
example, take a pause,

01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.660 align:middle line:84%
let the students
follow the next step.

01:14:43.660 --> 01:14:45.040 align:middle line:90%
And continue in that manner.

01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.890 align:middle line:84%
And that allows
you, as the teacher,

01:14:53.890 --> 01:14:57.520 align:middle line:90%
to catch their mistakes as well.

01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:02.710 align:middle line:84%
Often, when we just plow
ahead, even the other students

01:15:02.710 --> 01:15:03.610 align:middle line:90%
will make mistakes.

01:15:03.610 --> 01:15:05.890 align:middle line:84%
And they're glad if you
keep plowing forward,

01:15:05.890 --> 01:15:07.330 align:middle line:90%
because you won't see that.

01:15:07.330 --> 01:15:11.120 align:middle line:84%
But those pauses allow time to
catch those mistakes as well.

01:15:14.990 --> 01:15:17.835 align:middle line:90%
As we wrap up, Richard?

01:15:17.835 --> 01:15:18.710 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

01:15:18.710 --> 01:15:21.680 align:middle line:84%
Thank you, Beth,
that was fantastic.

01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:25.160 align:middle line:84%
And there's so many
things to learn

01:15:25.160 --> 01:15:28.430 align:middle line:84%
about dealing with
Deaf kids, especially

01:15:28.430 --> 01:15:31.130 align:middle line:84%
in the mainstream
when they're isolated.

01:15:31.130 --> 01:15:32.930 align:middle line:84%
If people have
questions, can they just

01:15:32.930 --> 01:15:34.370 align:middle line:90%
put them into the chat?

01:15:34.370 --> 01:15:38.930 align:middle line:84%
And Brianna is sort
of monitoring that.

01:15:38.930 --> 01:15:41.630 align:middle line:84%
One thing that Beth was
talking about earlier

01:15:41.630 --> 01:15:44.780 align:middle line:84%
was looking at your state
and how your state is doing

01:15:44.780 --> 01:15:46.850 align:middle line:90%
in terms of computer science.

01:15:46.850 --> 01:15:49.320 align:middle line:90%
And so I put in--

01:15:49.320 --> 01:15:52.610 align:middle line:84%
there's an organization here
called the Code.org Advocacy

01:15:52.610 --> 01:15:57.320 align:middle line:84%
Coalition, and AccessCSforAll
is part of that coalition.

01:15:57.320 --> 01:16:00.770 align:middle line:84%
And so that's a good place
to sort of monitor and see

01:16:00.770 --> 01:16:02.600 align:middle line:84%
how not just your
state is doing,

01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:04.320 align:middle line:90%
but how the nation is doing.

01:16:04.320 --> 01:16:08.000 align:middle line:84%
And if you really want
to get engaged, you can.

01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:10.700 align:middle line:84%
Find out who in
your state is part

01:16:10.700 --> 01:16:15.200 align:middle line:90%
of this Advocacy Coalition.

01:16:15.200 --> 01:16:21.160 align:middle line:84%
So, Beth-- so
people are starting

01:16:21.160 --> 01:16:24.310 align:middle line:90%
to put the comments in.

01:16:24.310 --> 01:16:25.810 align:middle line:90%
So one thing that--

01:16:25.810 --> 01:16:30.040 align:middle line:84%
well, we had a workshop
two summers ago--

01:16:30.040 --> 01:16:32.140 align:middle line:84%
I keep forgetting about
the pandemic-- two summers

01:16:32.140 --> 01:16:35.660 align:middle line:84%
ago with teachers of
deaf and hard of hearing,

01:16:35.660 --> 01:16:37.630 align:middle line:84%
and you were part
of that, actually.

01:16:37.630 --> 01:16:40.510 align:middle line:84%
And when we wrote a paper
about that afterwards,

01:16:40.510 --> 01:16:45.370 align:middle line:84%
we learned that there are people
that kind of make a similarity

01:16:45.370 --> 01:16:47.890 align:middle line:84%
or compare or see
the similarities

01:16:47.890 --> 01:16:51.800 align:middle line:84%
between English language
learners and Deaf students.

01:16:51.800 --> 01:16:53.950 align:middle line:84%
So I wonder if you
had some comments

01:16:53.950 --> 01:16:56.150 align:middle line:90%
on comparing those two groups.

01:16:56.150 --> 01:16:58.060 align:middle line:84%
What are the
similarities and perhaps

01:16:58.060 --> 01:16:59.451 align:middle line:90%
what are the differences?

01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.810 align:middle line:84%
BETH KIMBALL: Well, they
are similar in that they're

01:17:09.810 --> 01:17:11.980 align:middle line:90%
both beginning.

01:17:11.980 --> 01:17:13.750 align:middle line:84%
If you have a Deaf
student that's

01:17:13.750 --> 01:17:16.070 align:middle line:84%
new to coding and a
new English student,

01:17:16.070 --> 01:17:19.280 align:middle line:84%
I would say they
are similar enough.

01:17:19.280 --> 01:17:24.920 align:middle line:84%
However, the difference
between ESL students

01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:27.290 align:middle line:84%
is that they will
oftentimes catch up.

01:17:27.290 --> 01:17:30.050 align:middle line:84%
And a deaf student
is never going

01:17:30.050 --> 01:17:35.310 align:middle line:84%
to become hearing and never
learn English perfectly.

01:17:35.310 --> 01:17:37.490 align:middle line:84%
So it's not a
perfect comparison.

01:17:37.490 --> 01:17:43.030 align:middle line:84%
However, they are
learning English

01:17:43.030 --> 01:17:46.360 align:middle line:90%
as their second language.

01:17:46.360 --> 01:17:50.710 align:middle line:84%
Though, English is,
for an ESL student,

01:17:50.710 --> 01:17:54.560 align:middle line:84%
their second, third, or
fourth language, potentially.

01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.890 align:middle line:90%
And they can acquire that.

01:17:57.890 --> 01:18:02.943 align:middle line:84%
But a deaf student may never be
completely fluent in English,

01:18:02.943 --> 01:18:03.860 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Right.

01:18:03.860 --> 01:18:08.150 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, that's sort of what we
read as well in the literature

01:18:08.150 --> 01:18:09.320 align:middle line:90%
that we read about that.

01:18:09.320 --> 01:18:11.930 align:middle line:84%
The comparison is
somewhat of the same,

01:18:11.930 --> 01:18:15.840 align:middle line:84%
but there are these
big differences.

01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.253 align:middle line:90%
So-- go ahead, Brianna.

01:18:18.253 --> 01:18:19.670 align:middle line:84%
BRIANNA BLASER:
There's a question

01:18:19.670 --> 01:18:22.940 align:middle line:84%
in the chat about if you have
any experience with Project

01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:25.018 align:middle line:90%
Lead The Way.

01:18:25.018 --> 01:18:26.560 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER:
Project Lead the Way.

01:18:29.710 --> 01:18:31.990 align:middle line:84%
BETH KIMBALL: Oh,
personally, our school

01:18:31.990 --> 01:18:38.140 align:middle line:84%
is not big enough to be able
to afford Project Lead The Way.

01:18:38.140 --> 01:18:42.340 align:middle line:84%
It's about $6,000
per start up, but I

01:18:42.340 --> 01:18:46.300 align:middle line:90%
do know they do good work.

01:18:46.300 --> 01:18:50.050 align:middle line:84%
And it's definitely worth
it, if your school is already

01:18:50.050 --> 01:18:53.680 align:middle line:84%
involved in their program
from other classes.

01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:55.470 align:middle line:84%
You definitely
should check it out.

01:19:03.310 --> 01:19:08.590 align:middle line:84%
As for accessible materials
through that, they are trying,

01:19:08.590 --> 01:19:10.920 align:middle line:90%
let's just put it that way.

01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:14.520 align:middle line:84%
They don't have a
Deaf person on staff,

01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:18.855 align:middle line:84%
and they do not have an
accessibility director.

01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.910 align:middle line:84%
So they don't currently
have modifications

01:19:24.910 --> 01:19:26.620 align:middle line:90%
for a lot of their materials.

01:19:26.620 --> 01:19:29.750 align:middle line:84%
So if any of you have
Deaf students who

01:19:29.750 --> 01:19:32.470 align:middle line:84%
are working at
grade level, I think

01:19:32.470 --> 01:19:34.150 align:middle line:84%
it's a good fit for
those materials.

01:19:34.150 --> 01:19:37.150 align:middle line:84%
But if you have students who
are working below grade level

01:19:37.150 --> 01:19:41.400 align:middle line:84%
or have delays, you will have
to modify everything yourself.

01:19:47.562 --> 01:19:49.020 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER:
So, Beth, one thing

01:19:49.020 --> 01:19:54.090 align:middle line:84%
I've learned in the last few
years is that most special ed

01:19:54.090 --> 01:19:56.850 align:middle line:84%
programs that I'm
aware of in the nation,

01:19:56.850 --> 01:20:03.750 align:middle line:84%
really don't seem to teach
much about teaching deaf kids.

01:20:03.750 --> 01:20:08.460 align:middle line:84%
So where do-- special
ed doesn't do much.

01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:11.550 align:middle line:84%
Where did you
learn and how did--

01:20:11.550 --> 01:20:13.710 align:middle line:84%
where do other
teachers like yourself

01:20:13.710 --> 01:20:18.180 align:middle line:84%
learn to teach Deaf kids that
wasn't special ed programs?

01:20:25.860 --> 01:20:28.320 align:middle line:84%
BETH KIMBALL:
Well, again, you do

01:20:28.320 --> 01:20:31.620 align:middle line:84%
have to recall that
each kid is different.

01:20:31.620 --> 01:20:34.030 align:middle line:84%
And you do have to
accommodate for their needs.

01:20:34.030 --> 01:20:38.130 align:middle line:84%
But what helps
initially, is to--

01:20:38.130 --> 01:20:42.240 align:middle line:84%
when you meet the Deaf person,
or just to meet Deaf people

01:20:42.240 --> 01:20:44.880 align:middle line:84%
in general-- get
involved in Deaf events--

01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.150 align:middle line:84%
Deaf community events,
interact with the community,

01:20:48.150 --> 01:20:49.497 align:middle line:90%
take an ASL class.

01:20:49.497 --> 01:20:51.330 align:middle line:84%
Those are some little
things that will help.

01:20:54.740 --> 01:21:00.000 align:middle line:84%
Deaf adults are kids that
grew up in these programs,

01:21:00.000 --> 01:21:03.730 align:middle line:84%
and so they have
these experiences.

01:21:03.730 --> 01:21:09.260 align:middle line:84%
I grew up hearing and
became deaf later in life.

01:21:09.260 --> 01:21:13.450 align:middle line:84%
So I was interested
in becoming a teacher,

01:21:13.450 --> 01:21:15.070 align:middle line:90%
but long before I was Deaf.

01:21:15.070 --> 01:21:20.410 align:middle line:84%
Once I became deaf, I did
go to Rochester Institute

01:21:20.410 --> 01:21:21.220 align:middle line:90%
of Technology--

01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:22.780 align:middle line:90%
RIT.

01:21:22.780 --> 01:21:28.240 align:middle line:84%
And I took a Deaf education
master's program there.

01:21:28.240 --> 01:21:31.150 align:middle line:84%
And there are a few of
those programs out there

01:21:31.150 --> 01:21:35.700 align:middle line:84%
that specialize
in Deaf education.

01:21:35.700 --> 01:21:38.520 align:middle line:84%
But special ed is
taught in all schools,

01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:41.760 align:middle line:84%
and it may include a
piece of Deaf education.

01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.870 align:middle line:84%
But having that true
Deaf education approach

01:21:45.870 --> 01:21:49.080 align:middle line:84%
includes the language and the
culture, which is quite a bit

01:21:49.080 --> 01:21:49.830 align:middle line:90%
different.

01:21:49.830 --> 01:21:50.970 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Right.

01:21:50.970 --> 01:21:55.110 align:middle line:84%
Yeah, there are these
special ed programs that

01:21:55.110 --> 01:21:57.820 align:middle line:90%
specialize in Deaf education.

01:21:57.820 --> 01:21:59.650 align:middle line:84%
And I know there's
one in Oregon.

01:21:59.650 --> 01:22:02.560 align:middle line:84%
Washington state
does not have one.

01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:03.810 align:middle line:90%
So they're not in every state.

01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.790 align:middle line:84%
BETH KIMBALL: One
positive aspect of COVID

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is that these deaf
education programs

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are offering things online now.

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RICHARD LADNER: Oh, yeah.

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Great.

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Can someone who is teaching--

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what would be some resources--
a mainstream teacher

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has one Deaf kid in their class.

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Are there some places where
they could get resources?

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Where they could
understand best how

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to serve that kid along with
all the other kids as well?

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BETH KIMBALL: Well,
they can obviously

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start with Google
to do a search,

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and a whole host of
things will come up.

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Filtering through
Teachers Pay Teachers,

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you can click on special needs.

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There are Facebook groups and
Instagram groups out there.

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Searching through the
hashtag Deaf education,

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you'll find a whole
host of resources there.

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Picture, stories,
YouTube videos.

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There are fantastic
resources out there.

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And then also looking at a
local club or ASL classes.

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They usually will have access
to some resources and some tips

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on places to find information.

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And I know they are
often happy to help.

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Because if you remember
deaf adults have experienced

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this as children, and
oftentimes have been

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traumatized or have
a lot of bad memories

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of how their educational
experience went.

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So they're more than
glad to help and provide

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resources that will
help other deaf children

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in their education.

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RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

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That's a great idea is
to involve Deaf adults.

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Learn from deaf
adults because they've

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had the experience
of children, and they

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know what might work better.

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So getting connected with a
Deaf adult is not always easy.

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BRIANNA BLASER: I see somebody
dropped, in the chat, a link

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to ASL Core as a helpful
resource for CS signs.

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Are there any other
resources that you recommend

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folks check out to
learn signs that

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are used in computer science?

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BETH KIMBALL: ASL Core is
actually one of the best.

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RICHARD LADNER: Mm-hmm.

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BETH KIMBALL: There's that one.

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And then RIT/NTID, which
is National Technical

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Institute for the Deaf,
is one of their colleges.

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And they do have a STEM
dictionary as well.

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And you can look there on their
website for different signs

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related computer science
and Sciences in general.

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Again, however, these
signs are oftentimes new.

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They're not standardized
yet, so they don't always

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fit the concept.

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It may be that they were--

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it's a particular sign that
was created by one student who

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took a particular class.

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But it's absolutely a
good place to start.

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RICHARD LADNER:
I put in the chat

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the ASL STEM forum,
which actually, I

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helped develop a few years ago.

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And this one includes a
lot of signs, I would say,

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at the more higher level.

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If you look at the RIT site
or some of the other sites,

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they're more, I'd say,
at the elementary level.

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And this one is--

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actual users of sign
language have contributed

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to the ASL STEM forum.

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BRIANNA BLASER: Well, great.

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We're just about at
our time, Richard.

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RICHARD LADNER:
Yeah, I noticed that.

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So what do we say, thank
you, Beth, so much.

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And hopefully,
everybody gain something

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from your presentation.

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Thank you, again.

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BETH KIMBALL: Sure, absolutely.

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Thank you for attending.

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RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

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So there's a lot of
chat thank yous there.