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BRIANNA BLASER: OK.

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It says it's broadcasting.

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And you can see
attendees popping on.

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RICHARD LADNER: For those
that have joined us,

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we're going to start
in a couple of minutes,

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just waiting for people
to join the webinar.

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I'm Richard Ladner.

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Brianna, how are we doing?

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Are people still joining?

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BRIANNA BLASER: Yeah.

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I'm still seeing people hop on.

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Maybe give it a
few more seconds.

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Looks like it's
stabilized a bit, Richard.

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It's 9:01 if you want to
go ahead and get started.

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RICHARD LADNER: Hello, everyone.

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My name's Richard Ladner.

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I'm from the University
of Washington.

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And this is the
SIGCSE panel

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that we were going to have
in March and couldn't do it.

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So because we have
such a big panel,

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we postponed it till the summer
because we're all so busy

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doing our physical distancing
and teaching online and all

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the things that we had to do.

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So this was the panel
called How and What

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to Teach Accessibility.

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So we called this a teaching
accessibility webinar.

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I want to remind people
that this is recorded.

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And so it will be
available later

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if you have to
leave, for example.

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Or you can tell people.

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And that link will be on the
AccessComputing web page.

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I wanted to mention a couple of
resources, one other resource

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besides AccessComputing.

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That's Teach Access.

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So if you search on
Google for Teach Access,

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you'll find a great number
of resources about teaching

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accessibility, in addition
to our own website,

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AccessComputing.

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We will take questions at the
end after about 50 minutes,

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maybe 45 minutes.

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And so at the bottom
of the screen,

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there is a Question
and Answer button

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that you can push to
ask the questions.

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If you want to use the
chat, probably we're

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not going to use that
for question and answer.

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But if you want to send a
private message to somebody,

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go ahead.

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I also wanted to mention that
we will be doing an evaluation.

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And that evaluation link
will be sent to you in email

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afterwards.

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There will be some
things in the chat

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that Brianna will put in there.

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Brianna Blaser is my
assistant at AccessComputing.

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And so she'll be helping out
with this also with the timing.

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There are captions.

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So if you want the
captions, you can

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go down again to the
bottom of the screen

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and pull up the little menu
and push the Caption button.

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And that will give you captions.

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So I think we're
about ready to start.

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So let's move on.

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So we have five great
people with us--

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Amy Ko, Leah Findlater,
Anat Caspi, Paula Gabbert,

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and Daniel Krutz.

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And these are the topics
that they're going to cover.

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And I decided to do a
bunch of different ideas.

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For example, Amy will talk
about introducing accessibility

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in a web design course, Leah
about teaching accessibility

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in a master's level course,
Anat about accessibility

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as a theme in a
capstone design course,

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and Paula as, sort
of at the other end,

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accessibility as a theme as an
intro computer science course.

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And finally, Daniel will
talk about his tools

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to improve understanding about
the need for accessibility

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in the first place.

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And these tools
will be available

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as soon as your grant
is over, I guess.

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So why don't we start with
Amy, associate professor

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in the Information School at
the University of Washington?

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Go ahead, Amy.

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AMY KO: All right.

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Thanks a lot, Richard.

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Next slide.

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So for context here, I'm at
the University of Washington

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in the Information School.

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And we have a required
client-side web development

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course that about 210
students a year take with us.

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And really, the course covers
a lot of things on client-side.

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We want students to
understand the architecture

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of the internet.

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We want them to understand HTML,
CSS, JavaScript, and other web

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standards that
support interchange.

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And we also want to make sure
that students can construct

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accessible, responsive,
interactive, and valid

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client-side applications.

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So that's a lot to
fit into one course.

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And I think it's a big
challenge to even just cover

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those basic things, let alone
things about accessibility.

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So the big problem
we faced was, how

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do we integrate accessibility
into this course

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without having to take other
things away in the class?

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Next slide, please.

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So what we observed
first is that HTML really

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is a necessary part of
any client-side course.

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But it's really boring to learn.

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And it's boring to teach.

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Most students don't know it.

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But they find it really
straightforward to learn,

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in most cases, and
really uninspiring.

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It's really a learning a
bunch of tags and attributes

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and not really embracing any
of the interesting things

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about the web.

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And so this makes it for
a very underwhelming way

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to start the class.

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So we observed that and
took that as the problem

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that we tried to solve by
integrating accessibility

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into it.

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Next slide, please.

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All right.

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So here's what we did.

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We started off by giving
students a chapter of a book

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that we wrote on HTML.

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And it covers accessibility,
motivates accessibility,

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explains it, and talks
about the relationship

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between accessibility
and HTML on the internet.

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Next slide, please.

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And then what we do
is really immediately

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get them into the habit
of testing and verifying

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for accessibility.

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So students have to set up
an environment where they're

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doing test-driven
development that validates

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their HTML against
accessibility violations,

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including things like missing
alt tags and other more

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sophisticated things that
linters can check for.

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So they're getting
immediate feedback

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here that the HTML that they're
writing is missing things

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and is broken.

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And we're trying to
normalize the idea

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that accessibility
defects are defects.

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They're not optional things.

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They're the things that make
a web page actually broken.

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Next slide, please.

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Step three here is
then once they've

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set up that environment,
we ask students

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to write a personal home
page with static HTML,

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including tags and images.

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And we provide a template
that has some injected

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accessibility defects
just in case students

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manage to write accessible
HTML the first time around.

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It turns out that they never do.

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They always introduce
defects of their own.

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So we get a baseline
set of defects

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that we've guaranteed
that they'll

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see plus a set of defects that
they introduce themselves.

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And these are the basic
requirements for their project.

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They have to include
a title and an author

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and a top-level heading,
an image, a paragraph,

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a hyperlink, and a list-- so
really, really basic kinds

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of HTML features.

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And it's astounding to us that
even with this really basic set

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of requirements
that students often

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introduce 5 to 10
accessibility defects that

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will show up in
the validation step

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that they'll have to go fix.

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Next slide, please.

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So once they find
those defects, students

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are required then to use
the screen reader built

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into their operating system
to verify and experience

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that defect that
was being warned.

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So once they see that
there is a problem,

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they have to go and
see why it's a problem

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and observe for
themselves why it

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would be impossible to
use the page unless they

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fixed the site.

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And so they go
through and understand

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how to use the
screen reader, how

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to test with the
screen reader, and how

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to verify that the warning
generated by the linter

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is actually a real problem.

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And then they have to write
down why it was a problem

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and then write down
the fix for it.

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Next slide, please.

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So when we talk to students
about their experience

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with this, one of
the things they note

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is that because it's
the first assignment,

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it really does
normalize accessibility

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as a core part of web standards,
of developing good software,

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of build processes, and of
test-driven development.

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They also say that when they're
forced to experience those

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defects from a perspective
other than their own--

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like they've never used
a screen reader before--

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they do recognize this
more general principle

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that they're not necessarily
in the best position

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to judge the
severity of defects.

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They realize when they see that
the use of the screen reader--

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they recognize that
they can see what's

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on the screen with their eyes,
in most cases, unless they

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aren't sighted.

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And so they start recognizing
that they're really

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not in the best position
to evaluate whether or not

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things are good.

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Students often report
being surprised

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at how difficult a simple
markup language like HTML

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can be to get right,
especially when you set the bar

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as including accessibility.

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And a lot of our alumni
graduate and report that even

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just this single
lesson, which only

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lasts in the first
week of that class,

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empower them to
advocate for better

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accessibility
verification practices

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at their organization.

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So they would often
go to companies

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and say things like, why aren't
we verifying accessibility

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in our build process?

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And they would go and
bring tools into those

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build processes and start
checking those things in

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and including them in bug
reports and bug triage

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meetings.

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That is it for me.

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LEAH FINDLATER: OK.

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Should I start, Richard?

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AMY KO: Richard's muted.

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LEAH FINDLATER: All right.

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Well, hi.

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I'm Leah Findlater.

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I'm an associate professor
in human-centered design

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and engineering at the
University of Washington.

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And I'm going to be
talking to you today

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about a course that I've
taught since 2016 at two

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different schools.

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It's an elective course on
accessibility and inclusive

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design aimed at
students who were

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enrolled in a professional
master's program.

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And the class tends to have
about 25 to 40 students in it

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each offering.

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And I should also note that
this course was originally

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inspired by a course
that Amy Hurst taught.

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And I saw that Amy Hurst is
in the participants list.

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So thank you, Amy,
for that inspiration.

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So next slide, please.

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The primary learning objectives
of this course are to be able

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to describe how factors such as
ability and situation broadly

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impact design needs, to be
able to explain accessibility

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guidelines and implement them
at a basic level of competence,

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to be able to critically
characterize and compare design

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paradigms related
to accessibility--

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so this is things like universal
design, ability-based design,

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inclusive design, and so on--

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and to be able to
create new technology

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prototypes that address
accessibility issues.

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So this is different than
what Amy was talking about

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because the entire
course over the quarter

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focuses on accessibility
and a little bit

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on other aspects of
inclusive design.

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Next slide, please.

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So the course is roughly split
into individual assignments

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in a group project.

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And I'm going to come back
to these in more detail.

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But the individual assignments
include a weekly observation

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journal, two web
accessibility assignments,

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and a poster presentation on a
topic of the student's choice.

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And the group project is a
quarter-long codesign effort

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with a single participant
whose needs are underserved

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by typical UX design processes.

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Next slide, please.

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One back.

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OK.

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So the big question that I
want to discuss today and one

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that I've grappled with over
the years with this course

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is how to engage students
meaningfully with disability

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while limiting the burden
on the disability community.

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So next slide.

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I want to discuss five
strategies that I have used

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and that I am actively
using in my course.

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So first of all, I
encourage students

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to consume existing
content out there

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that offers first-person
perspectives, things

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like books, tweets, and blogs by
disabled scholars and activists

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or even reports on experiences
using a particular technology.

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And I include some of these
perspectives and other material

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in in-class activities.

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Secondly, students
do weekly entries

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in an observation journal,
where they sketch and critique

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a design that they've
encountered that week in terms

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of accessibility.

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So they have to think about,
who does this design work for

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and why?

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Who is excluded and why?

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And how might it be improved?

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And one of the goals
of this assignment

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is to build awareness and take
home the habit of noticing

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accessibility issues.

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Third is a module on
disability studies.

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And I include this to offer
a critical perspective

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and some context for
the accessibility work.

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So here, I typically invite a
guest speaker with a disability

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studies background to visit.

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We have a great
disability studies program

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at the University of Washington.

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And students learn
about a variety

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of models of
disability and critique

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common design assumptions,
including assumptions

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that they may have
had themselves

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or that we've talked about
earlier in the quarter.

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For example, what's
the motivation

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behind designing assistive
technologies that are

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unobtrusive or look mainstream?

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And why might we think
of different approaches?

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And then beyond the
disability studies module,

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I also bring in a set
of guest speakers,

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some of who talk about
their own lived experience

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with disability in
addition to their expertise

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in a specific area of
accessibility research

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or practice.

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So these are often other members
of the accessibility research

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community at the
University of Washington.

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And then finally, there's
the codesign project,

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which I'll go into in
some more detail here.

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So next slide, please.

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As I already said, teams
recruit their own participant

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for this project.

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Typically, this is
somebody that they know.

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And there's a lot of
flexibility here as long

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as the participant is
going to allow the team

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to explore the theme of
inclusive design somehow.

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So this is actually not focused
specifically on accessibility.

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People can explore other
aspects of inclusive design.

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But most teams do choose
to focus on accessibility

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because that's what my focus
is on for most of the quarter.

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The participant
that teams recruit

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is involved in all
steps of the project,

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including a project
declaration, first

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of all, which includes a brief
description of the participant

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that they must
approve of themselves.

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And they can even help to write.

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And then there's an
initial design discussion

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with the goal of identifying a
design problem or opportunity.

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Here, I strongly emphasize
the importance of the team

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identifying a problem
or opportunity

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with the participant
rather than assuming

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that they've picked an
important problem themselves

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and then only
focusing on solutions

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with that participant.

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Because if they do
that, which is--

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there's a tendency for students
to do that when they're new

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to this area--

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then they may end up
focusing, of course,

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on the wrong problem.

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One thing is that before this
session, where the team is

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identifying a problem
or opportunity

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with the participant,
the students

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need to first write down some
of their assumptions going

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into the session with
what they are thinking

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some of the problems
might be and why

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and then reflect on
those assumptions

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afterward in their
written report.

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The team then plans
out a codesign activity

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based on the design problem
and runs a second session

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with the participant to map
out specific design directions.

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And then following that,
they create a prototype

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based on that session
and then go back

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for one quick round of
feedback with the participant

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at the very end of the quarter.

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So in total, this project
requires about two

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and a half or
three hours of time

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from the participant
over the whole quarter.

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And then finally, this
is totally optional.

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But participants are also
invited to the final project

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presentations, if they wish.

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And this year, probably
because we had online project

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presentations, we had higher
than usual participation here

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and six of the
nine participants.

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So we had nine
project teams joined

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for the final presentations,
which was quite fun.

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Next slide.

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So I've covered
several strategies

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for having students engage
meaningfully with disability.

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And there are many
others out there as well.

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But I also want to touch
briefly on a few other areas

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that I'm continually trying
to improve with this course.

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So one of these is, because
this course is not just about

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accessibility but does
include some other aspects

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of inclusive design,
how do we bring

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in some of those other
topics while still allowing

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enough depth and accessibility?

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And so I'm not sure what the
best solution is to this.

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Maybe it's just an
accessibility-only course.

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We'll have to see what happens.

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But what I've done
in the past is mostly

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inviting guest speakers who
have other areas of expertise

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come in and share those
and then also allowing

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some flexibility in
assignment topics,

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like the poster
that students choose

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to present to their classmates,
as well as the participant

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and what they work on
with that participant.

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Secondly is the question of
how to ensure that participant

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involvement is sustainable.

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So how are we ensuring that
participants are properly

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compensated for their time?

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This quarter, for example,
I provided participants

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with a gift card using
some flex funds that I had.

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And I realize that's not
possible for all instructors.

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And it's also likely not a
sustainable thing for us.

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So this is something that
we need to figure out.

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And then thirdly, how
do we make accessibility

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happen in the real world?

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So these are professional
master's students.

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And they ask often,
well, how do we

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get this to work in
real organizations

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with the kinds of constraints
that come up there?

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And so one way
that I try to deal

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with that to help
answer these questions

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is to bring in at least one
industry speaker each quarter.

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But that is an area that I'd
like to improve on as well.

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Next slide.

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So on a final note--

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next slide.

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Yeah.

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On a final note, one of the
first points that I emphasize

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and one that I close
with in the quarter

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is that this course is not
about us designing for them.

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And I think that this is
important for two reasons.

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So sometimes I hear new
students using this language

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at the beginning of the quarter.

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And I explicitly
push back on it.

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So one reason is that it's
important for the class

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to feel like a welcoming place
for deaf and disabled students,

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whether or not they
want to disclose

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that they have a disability
to me or to other students.

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And I don't expect
that students are

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going to share their own
experiences with the class.

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But I greatly appreciate
when they do so.

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And then secondly, I
think it's important

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for nondisabled
students to start

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to have an expectation that
their classes and their design

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teams and their
engineering teams

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will have deaf and disabled
team members as well

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and that they will also seek
to create those kinds of teams

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in the future because we
need to have these accessible

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processes.

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We have to have inclusive
cultures in organizations

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in order to achieve the most
impactful accessible designs

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in the end.

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So thank you.

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RICHARD LADNER: Thank you, Leah.

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So next we have Anat Caspi.

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ANAT CASPI: Hi.

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Yeah.

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As Richard said, my
name is Anat Caspi.

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I'm the director of
the Taskar Center

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for Accessible Technology at
the Paul G. Allen School at UW.

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And before I discuss the
accessibility capstone--

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and actually, it's
great that I follow Leah

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because a lot of the themes
resonate in our course.

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And though I didn't quite
highlight the progression

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of the projects that
students follow,

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they also follow this
codesign principle,

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which the Taskar Center
in general follows.

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And our focus is really on
deployment and translation

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of accessible technologies.

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And so having this focus
puts us in a very unique path

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with its own demands.

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And at the core of
working on accessibility

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is the understanding that, as
engineers, we should always

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be mindful of the extremely
heterogeneous and diverse needs

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and requirements that
people present as users.

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And in all of our
projects, we work

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with community
members as codesigners

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and also work in a very
interdisciplinary way.

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And so the bottom line is that
we've cultivated communities

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of practice that includes
people of all abilities, ages,

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caregivers, therapists,
practitioners, all of whom

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engage regularly
with our students

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throughout our projects.

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And they're the ones who ideate
on project ideas and needs.

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And so typically, the
accessibility capstone

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follows the needs prescribed by
these communities of practice.

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Next slide, please.

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So we have been very fortunate
in the Paul G. Allen School

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in that it's been one of--

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UW in general has been one
of the institutions that

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have been at the forefront
of accessibility research.

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And our faculty and researchers
have been seminal figures

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in this field, which means
that, for the most part,

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we can very comfortably
address accessibility

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as an issue that's pervasive
to usability, which I recognize

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is not always a luxury
in other institutions.

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And so really, there's
an understanding

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that in all of
engineering and design,

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rather than having to address
it as a specialty subfield,

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this is an a core facet
of engineering and design.

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And so that's been
very important to us

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as we pursue an understanding
among the students

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not only that
accessibility is important.

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But it's deeply
connected to the fact

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that our built environment and
our technology environments

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have traditionally been
built in a mismatched manner

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to the majority of people.

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And that's something
that we continually

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emphasize in the course.

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And also, for inclusive design
to be done appropriately

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and ethically, we
have to see the fault

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in building mismatched
products and environments.

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And therefore we're not
trying to fix or ameliorate

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the deficiencies of any
particular population,

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but address this mismatch
in design and engineering.

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And broadly construed,
this is the social model

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of disability, which
doesn't address people

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as if they're coming from
some kind of deficit.

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But rather, we're
trying to correct

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design and engineering
practices that in the past

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have failed to take all bodies
or abilities into account.

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Next slide, please.

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And so this is how the
accessibility capstone

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is construed as
designing technology

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for the entirety of
the human experience.

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And that is a skill that
we find valuable regardless

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of what path our students
choose to take later on.

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And so our accessibility
capstone specifically

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provides students exposure
because the students

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are required to interact
with needs experts who

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are users of
accessibility features

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and assistive technology
in the local community,

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along with therapists,
coaches, and caregivers.

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And those are also part of
our community of practice

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that engage with us
on a typical basis.

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And to Leah's point
as well, we do

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remunerate our needs experts who
engage with our project teams.

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And that's been something
that was definitely something

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that we had to work
through with our school.

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But I'm glad that we were
able to address that.

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And we do acknowledge that
some institutions don't

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have the ability to do that.

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So our needs experts themselves
tend to be professionals

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in various fields.

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Via assignments, students
become tuned to the challenges,

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being the design, economic,
and social challenges,

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that people face in the
development and also the use

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of accessible technologies.

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And the focus is on
building understanding

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by building a connection
with a person who

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sees these challenges
on an ongoing basis.

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And then an additional
underlying message

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is that engineers and designers
can be and are themselves users

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of accessible technologies.

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And so through this engagement,
participation, and interaction,

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the team-based project
experience allows the teams--

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and the assignment guides them
through a rigorous engineering

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design process to
identify and tackle

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these mismatches between
built technologies

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and their use by individuals
of all abilities.

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Next slide, please.

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And so as you can imagine,
it takes a lot of effort

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to build the kinds of
relationships and communities

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that can support student teams
in this learning process.

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But we also want to ensure
that our students are not just

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dropped into this interaction
but are properly tuned

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to the sensitivities
and their own attitudes

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before they begin the process.

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So there is a prequel
which teaches them

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how to engage with
disability studies themes

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and talk about disability
in a way that's

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respectful and sensitive
and understands biases,

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potentially.

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Next slide.

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And so the steps of
our capstone course,

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which is a 10-week course--

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the student teams are
asked to codesign and build

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a system component or process.

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that meets the needs
expert's identified needs.

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And they're guided
through the process.

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So first, they engage
in codesign process

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with a needs expert.

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And they write a
contract together.

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Then lectures define
introductory concepts

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of disability studies
and how they relate

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to engineering practices.

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They also identify principles
of inclusive design

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and how they can use codesign
skills in order to benefit

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diverse communities largely.

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And then they conduct
contextual inquiries

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with their needs experts and
also some other potentially

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primary users to
understand the problem,

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develop a deeper understanding
of the use cases.

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Then they devise specific
technology specifications

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and development plans.

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And we're very strict about
tying the contextual inquiry

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goals with these
technology specifications

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in order to show them how
the engineering process can

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be directly linked to these more
qualitative inclusive design

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activities.

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And so finally, they iterate
on the prototype once.

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And they use both quantitative
and qualitative methods

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to assess usability outcomes and
accessibility by primary user

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populations.

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And so finally, I wanted to
share, with time allowed,

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the final capstone
for last year's

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capstone, the video that was
made by the computer science

00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:56.863 align:middle line:90%
department.

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Or not.

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RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

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Let me figure that out.

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[INAUDIBLE]

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ANAT CASPI: The idea was to
allow the students to speak

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in their own words.

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RICHARD LADNER: We'll put
that link in the chat.

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Somehow it played earlier, but
I couldn't play it right now.

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ANAT CASPI: So
just to sum it up,

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really, it follows the progress
of three different student

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teams and how they engaged
with their needs experts

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and, finally, shows the effort
to create something that

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is sustainable beyond the
end of their own project

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by placing their technology
out in instructables on GitHub.

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And we really do emphasize
documenting to the point

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where another developer
or a developer community

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might be able to
take up those efforts

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and continue building
on top of that.

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And in some cases,
we've actually

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been able to fully
take on those projects

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and progress them to real
translation to the community.

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Thank you so much.

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RICHARD LADNER: Sorry
about that, Anat.

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Well, your time was up.

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OK, Paula?

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You're on.

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PAULA Gabbert: Thank you.

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Yes.

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I'm Paula Gabbert.

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And I am professor of computer
science at Furman University.

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So I'm happy to be here today.

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Go ahead to the next slide.

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So I'm going to be
talking about a course

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that we teach at Furman.

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And it's essentially
a CS0 course

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that introduces computing topics
on a breadth-first level-- so

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a breadth level rather
than an introduction

00:30:50.310 --> 00:30:52.980 align:middle line:90%
through programming.

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What we do at Furman, though,
is we introduce these topics

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through the lens of
an application area.

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And so some examples of these
application areas-- this

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is not an extensive list.

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But we have one on social
media, bioinformatics, gaming,

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modeling.

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And then the one that I do
is on accessible technology.

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So again, we cover the
breadth of computer science

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through the lens of
these application areas.

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The course serves both as the
first course in the major--

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so it is a required course
for our computer science

00:31:24.090 --> 00:31:27.180 align:middle line:84%
majors and information
technology majors.

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But it also serves as a
course for the nonmajors.

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So it's a service
course in that respect.

00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.660 align:middle line:84%
And our bachelor of
arts students at Furman

00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:40.740 align:middle line:84%
can use this course to satisfy
their general education

00:31:40.740 --> 00:31:43.660 align:middle line:84%
requirement for math
and formal reasoning.

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So what this results in is
providing multiple perspectives

00:31:49.110 --> 00:31:51.900 align:middle line:84%
within our course
in order to talk

00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:53.170 align:middle line:90%
about accessible technology.

00:31:53.170 --> 00:31:56.280 align:middle line:84%
And so it's really
an advantage having

00:31:56.280 --> 00:31:59.410 align:middle line:90%
both populations in the course.

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So the next slide--

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so why introduce
accessibility concepts early?

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So this is coming way at the
beginning of the curriculum.

00:32:08.910 --> 00:32:11.770 align:middle line:84%
And there's a couple
of reasons for that.

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First, it supports
universal design principles.

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So again, universal design says
we should design and develop

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:20.800 align:middle line:84%
accessible technology
from the beginning.

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It shouldn't be an
add-on to the end.

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And so we should think of our
curriculum that way as well.

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We ought to be
designing our curriculum

00:32:27.750 --> 00:32:29.760 align:middle line:84%
with accessibility
right from day one,

00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:34.290 align:middle line:84%
right from the very beginning
in the intro course.

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And what I've discovered is that
accessibility concepts really

00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:43.830 align:middle line:84%
intersect nicely with these
core concepts, core CS concepts.

00:32:43.830 --> 00:32:46.770 align:middle line:84%
And so it really
has lend itself well

00:32:46.770 --> 00:32:48.630 align:middle line:84%
to what we do at
Furman, where we

00:32:48.630 --> 00:32:52.500 align:middle line:84%
want to introduce core
concepts by applying them

00:32:52.500 --> 00:32:53.610 align:middle line:90%
to a particular area.

00:32:53.610 --> 00:32:56.160 align:middle line:84%
And accessibility concepts
really lend themselves well.

00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.950 align:middle line:84%
And I'll illustrate
that in just a minute.

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But it also provides
a broader context

00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:05.730 align:middle line:84%
for more specific
accessibility training

00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:07.830 align:middle line:90%
in upper-level courses.

00:33:07.830 --> 00:33:09.930 align:middle line:84%
And so what I mean
by that is it allows

00:33:09.930 --> 00:33:13.710 align:middle line:84%
us to talk about the social
historical legal landscapes

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that will motivate the need
for appropriate application

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development that will come
later in the curriculum.

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And so it really is a way for
us to explore accessibility

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early in the curriculum in order
to motivate the need for doing

00:33:29.820 --> 00:33:33.300 align:middle line:90%
so later in the curriculum.

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So on the next slide, there
are some primary objectives

00:33:38.310 --> 00:33:40.800 align:middle line:90%
for the course.

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We want to, again,
motivate the need

00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:45.210 align:middle line:84%
for universal design
principles by understanding

00:33:45.210 --> 00:33:47.610 align:middle line:84%
the legal, political,
and financial issues

00:33:47.610 --> 00:33:51.000 align:middle line:84%
surrounding
accessibility technology.

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I do this in a variety of ways.

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In fact, some of the things
that Leah talked about in terms

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of engaging students in
discussions with accessibility,

00:33:59.470 --> 00:34:03.210 align:middle line:84%
whether I do that through
having them journal--

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I also do that by having
people come to the class.

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And I have our Office of
Accessibility resources

00:34:13.230 --> 00:34:15.300 align:middle line:84%
director come and
visit the class

00:34:15.300 --> 00:34:20.850 align:middle line:84%
and give a perspective for the
local perspective of accessible

00:34:20.850 --> 00:34:22.530 align:middle line:90%
issues.

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I've also been really
fortunate to have

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a Furman student who is blind.

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And she has come to
visit my class as well.

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And she heard about
the class and was

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willing to come and visit.

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And those days are
actually the highlights

00:34:36.090 --> 00:34:37.800 align:middle line:90%
of the term, where she comes in.

00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.650 align:middle line:84%
And she's very open
about her experiences

00:34:40.650 --> 00:34:43.060 align:middle line:90%
through the use of technology.

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We also take a more
national-level perspective

00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.560 align:middle line:84%
by looking at the Section
504, the Rehabilitation

00:34:49.560 --> 00:34:51.780 align:middle line:84%
Act, the Americans
with Disability Act.

00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:53.177 align:middle line:84%
So we look at the
national level.

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And then we look at
the global level.

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I have them look at the
United Nations Convention

00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.180 align:middle line:84%
on the Rights of Persons
with Disabilities

00:35:00.180 --> 00:35:01.860 align:middle line:84%
and the World Health
Organization, WHO,

00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:07.170 align:middle line:84%
report so that they can really
get a sense of the issues

00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:12.660 align:middle line:84%
across the broad spectrum
of the entire culture.

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The discussions that
result from that

00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:17.760 align:middle line:84%
are really formulated
through some readings

00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:22.638 align:middle line:84%
that we do from a book that's
edited by Lazar and Stein.

00:35:22.638 --> 00:35:24.180 align:middle line:84%
It's called Disability,
Human Rights,

00:35:24.180 --> 00:35:25.920 align:middle line:90%
and Information Technology.

00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.280 align:middle line:84%
And we focus on these
questions in our discussions.

00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.130 align:middle line:84%
How can we provide access
to digital information

00:35:32.130 --> 00:35:35.580 align:middle line:84%
to all people at the same
time and at the same cost?

00:35:35.580 --> 00:35:37.860 align:middle line:84%
Who should pay for the cost
of developing accessible

00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:39.900 align:middle line:90%
technology and information?

00:35:39.900 --> 00:35:43.200 align:middle line:84%
How does technology aid
people with disability?

00:35:43.200 --> 00:35:46.030 align:middle line:84%
And how does technology
exclude people with disability?

00:35:46.030 --> 00:35:49.170 align:middle line:84%
And so we have
classroom discussions

00:35:49.170 --> 00:35:53.190 align:middle line:84%
centering on these big
questions and these big issues.

00:35:53.190 --> 00:35:55.110 align:middle line:84%
And then, of
course, we also want

00:35:55.110 --> 00:35:59.460 align:middle line:84%
to be sure we cover our core
computer science topics.

00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:01.478 align:middle line:84%
And then through
these conversations

00:36:01.478 --> 00:36:03.270 align:middle line:84%
and through these
discussions, the students

00:36:03.270 --> 00:36:05.710 align:middle line:84%
develop empathy for
people with disability

00:36:05.710 --> 00:36:08.040 align:middle line:84%
and really see the
need and are motivated

00:36:08.040 --> 00:36:12.920 align:middle line:84%
to learn about how we can
make technology accessible.

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.800 align:middle line:84%
So the next slide, we
can see just an example

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of some core computer
science topics.

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This is not a complete,
exhaustive list, obviously.

00:36:22.710 --> 00:36:25.590 align:middle line:84%
So all of our courses,
all of our sections

00:36:25.590 --> 00:36:27.090 align:middle line:90%
cover data storage.

00:36:27.090 --> 00:36:28.740 align:middle line:84%
But when I'm looking
at data storage

00:36:28.740 --> 00:36:31.230 align:middle line:84%
and how data is
represented digitally

00:36:31.230 --> 00:36:33.480 align:middle line:84%
through the lens
of accessibility,

00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:37.020 align:middle line:84%
we talk about how accessible
information is created

00:36:37.020 --> 00:36:38.700 align:middle line:84%
by translating from
one type of data

00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:41.880 align:middle line:84%
to another using OCR
or speech-to-text or

00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.490 align:middle line:90%
text-to-speech technologies.

00:36:44.490 --> 00:36:49.360 align:middle line:84%
All of our courses
cover operating systems.

00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.140 align:middle line:84%
And again, through the lens
of accessible technology,

00:36:52.140 --> 00:36:54.690 align:middle line:84%
we explore operating
systems by looking

00:36:54.690 --> 00:36:58.050 align:middle line:84%
at the accessibility
options on the Mac OS

00:36:58.050 --> 00:37:02.980 align:middle line:84%
because that is the platform
that we have in our labs.

00:37:02.980 --> 00:37:06.870 align:middle line:84%
And so we look at the dictation
tools, the VoiceOver, Zoom,

00:37:06.870 --> 00:37:09.600 align:middle line:90%
and alert settings.

00:37:09.600 --> 00:37:13.170 align:middle line:84%
All of our sections will cover
programming and algorithm

00:37:13.170 --> 00:37:16.050 align:middle line:84%
development, at least two to
three weeks of programming,

00:37:16.050 --> 00:37:18.147 align:middle line:90%
although some do more.

00:37:18.147 --> 00:37:19.980 align:middle line:84%
I use about two to three
weeks of the course

00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:21.330 align:middle line:90%
to cover programming.

00:37:21.330 --> 00:37:23.790 align:middle line:84%
And I illustrate
programming techniques

00:37:23.790 --> 00:37:26.580 align:middle line:84%
by using some really
simple speech-to-text

00:37:26.580 --> 00:37:28.380 align:middle line:84%
and text-to-speech
libraries that

00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:30.320 align:middle line:90%
are available through Python.

00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.210 align:middle line:84%
And so they can do some simple
programming activities while,

00:37:33.210 --> 00:37:37.900 align:middle line:84%
again, exploring
accessibility development.

00:37:37.900 --> 00:37:41.980 align:middle line:84%
Another core topic that we all
cover is software development.

00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:45.120 align:middle line:84%
And so we discuss agile
methods and the importance

00:37:45.120 --> 00:37:47.950 align:middle line:84%
of advocating for
user involvement.

00:37:47.950 --> 00:37:50.490 align:middle line:84%
I have them watch Haben Girma's
presentation to the Apple

00:37:50.490 --> 00:37:52.360 align:middle line:90%
Developers Conference.

00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.680 align:middle line:84%
And that is really a good
eye-opening type of activity

00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:57.000 align:middle line:90%
for them to do.

00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.180 align:middle line:84%
There are other
topics that we cover.

00:38:00.180 --> 00:38:05.363 align:middle line:84%
And obviously, there are also
topics that are optionally

00:38:05.363 --> 00:38:07.530 align:middle line:84%
covered, like artificial
intelligence and databases,

00:38:07.530 --> 00:38:10.110 align:middle line:90%
that we can cover if we want to.

00:38:10.110 --> 00:38:11.940 align:middle line:84%
But they all lend
themselves to examples

00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:15.320 align:middle line:90%
within accessible technology.

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.010 align:middle line:84%
On the next slide, at
the end of the course,

00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:22.790 align:middle line:84%
I have the students reflect
on what they've learned

00:38:22.790 --> 00:38:26.850 align:middle line:84%
and apply it to their
particular discipline.

00:38:26.850 --> 00:38:30.540 align:middle line:84%
So again, I have a
cross-section of the university.

00:38:30.540 --> 00:38:33.630 align:middle line:84%
So we start with the social
definition of disability,

00:38:33.630 --> 00:38:36.710 align:middle line:84%
which Anat mentioned,
which argues

00:38:36.710 --> 00:38:39.920 align:middle line:84%
that a person with
disability is impaired

00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:44.090 align:middle line:84%
not by their own impairment, by
society's inability to provide

00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:46.140 align:middle line:90%
appropriate resources.

00:38:46.140 --> 00:38:48.980 align:middle line:84%
And then I ask them to reflect
on their major, potential

00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:51.410 align:middle line:84%
major, or main
interest area and how

00:38:51.410 --> 00:38:54.050 align:middle line:84%
the topics we've discussed for
accessibility and accessible

00:38:54.050 --> 00:38:57.050 align:middle line:84%
technology can be incorporated
by that discipline

00:38:57.050 --> 00:38:58.850 align:middle line:90%
to benefit society.

00:38:58.850 --> 00:39:01.910 align:middle line:84%
How can your discipline
contribute positively

00:39:01.910 --> 00:39:04.550 align:middle line:84%
to minimize social
impacts of disability

00:39:04.550 --> 00:39:07.010 align:middle line:84%
and include all persons in
the activities, information

00:39:07.010 --> 00:39:11.370 align:middle line:84%
access, and communications
within your discipline?

00:39:11.370 --> 00:39:14.060 align:middle line:84%
So on the next slide, there
are a couple of quotes.

00:39:14.060 --> 00:39:14.870 align:middle line:90%
I have others.

00:39:14.870 --> 00:39:18.170 align:middle line:84%
But these are just some
examples of what students are

00:39:18.170 --> 00:39:21.500 align:middle line:90%
saying in these reflections.

00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:24.800 align:middle line:84%
So an English major said,
as a reader and writer,

00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:26.930 align:middle line:84%
I know how important
it is to include

00:39:26.930 --> 00:39:29.600 align:middle line:84%
all voices in the literary
world, particularly

00:39:29.600 --> 00:39:32.630 align:middle line:84%
those voices that have
been historically unheard.

00:39:32.630 --> 00:39:35.090 align:middle line:84%
By fighting for more
accessible ebooks, keyboards,

00:39:35.090 --> 00:39:37.910 align:middle line:84%
and other technological
aids, my field

00:39:37.910 --> 00:39:41.720 align:middle line:84%
can benefit from hundreds
of untold stories.

00:39:41.720 --> 00:39:44.540 align:middle line:84%
And then a politics and
international affairs major

00:39:44.540 --> 00:39:46.880 align:middle line:84%
said, we've created a
system of information

00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.460 align:middle line:84%
to keep the people informed
of what is happening

00:39:49.460 --> 00:39:51.020 align:middle line:90%
in the political field.

00:39:51.020 --> 00:39:52.820 align:middle line:84%
That system does
not include those

00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:54.770 align:middle line:84%
with visual or
social disabilities.

00:39:54.770 --> 00:39:56.780 align:middle line:84%
Girma pointed out
in her presentation

00:39:56.780 --> 00:39:58.670 align:middle line:84%
at the Apple
Conference that we just

00:39:58.670 --> 00:40:01.940 align:middle line:84%
assume things of people
with disabilities.

00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:04.640 align:middle line:84%
We assume that a blind woman
won't use a camera because it

00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:07.640 align:middle line:84%
hasn't been made accessible to
her, which is one of the things

00:40:07.640 --> 00:40:10.880 align:middle line:84%
that Girma talks about
in her presentation.

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:14.150 align:middle line:84%
This student applied
that to his area to say,

00:40:14.150 --> 00:40:16.550 align:middle line:84%
we assume a man with
a social disability

00:40:16.550 --> 00:40:19.790 align:middle line:84%
won't be informed and active
in politics because it hasn't

00:40:19.790 --> 00:40:22.670 align:middle line:90%
been made accessible for him.

00:40:22.670 --> 00:40:25.730 align:middle line:84%
And there are
other illustrations

00:40:25.730 --> 00:40:28.700 align:middle line:84%
of how students are
reflecting on this concept

00:40:28.700 --> 00:40:30.500 align:middle line:84%
of universal design
and applying it

00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:33.560 align:middle line:90%
to their particular discipline.

00:40:33.560 --> 00:40:38.240 align:middle line:84%
Another politics major
mentioned that getting people

00:40:38.240 --> 00:40:40.460 align:middle line:84%
with disability involved
in political process

00:40:40.460 --> 00:40:43.670 align:middle line:84%
will help make our
democracy stronger.

00:40:43.670 --> 00:40:49.970 align:middle line:84%
So again, these examples are
illustrating how we can really

00:40:49.970 --> 00:40:54.410 align:middle line:84%
motivate students to
think about these issues

00:40:54.410 --> 00:40:56.030 align:middle line:84%
at the beginning
of their curriculum

00:40:56.030 --> 00:41:00.590 align:middle line:84%
and help get them motivated
to ensure that they are

00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:03.000 align:middle line:84%
ready for those
upper-level concepts

00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.500 align:middle line:84%
and upper-level courses if
they are pursuing their major.

00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:12.440 align:middle line:84%
But in addition, we are
also serving our nonmajors

00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.050 align:middle line:84%
because all of the
students at Furman

00:41:15.050 --> 00:41:18.260 align:middle line:84%
will eventually be creating
digital information

00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:22.040 align:middle line:84%
and promoting and
utilizing or advocating

00:41:22.040 --> 00:41:26.310 align:middle line:84%
for the use of technology within
their various disciplines.

00:41:26.310 --> 00:41:30.770 align:middle line:84%
And so by understanding the
need for accessible technology

00:41:30.770 --> 00:41:34.580 align:middle line:84%
by all the disciplines, it
becomes a really powerful tool

00:41:34.580 --> 00:41:38.360 align:middle line:84%
for us to impact not just
computer science majors,

00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.830 align:middle line:90%
but other majors as well.

00:41:40.830 --> 00:41:43.250 align:middle line:84%
So the future
challenges for us are

00:41:43.250 --> 00:41:46.670 align:middle line:84%
to really try to get
at how we can do this

00:41:46.670 --> 00:41:51.920 align:middle line:84%
throughout the curriculum and
make sure that we introduce

00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.220 align:middle line:84%
those concepts early in the
term, early in the curriculum

00:41:56.220 --> 00:42:00.470 align:middle line:84%
and not wait till the end of
the curriculum as an add-on.

00:42:00.470 --> 00:42:02.790 align:middle line:90%
So that is all I have.

00:42:02.790 --> 00:42:03.610 align:middle line:90%
Thank you.

00:42:03.610 --> 00:42:05.120 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER:
Thank you, Paula.

00:42:05.120 --> 00:42:08.580 align:middle line:90%
And Daniel, go right ahead.

00:42:08.580 --> 00:42:09.330 align:middle line:90%
DANIEL KRUTZ: Hey.

00:42:09.330 --> 00:42:10.080 align:middle line:90%
Thanks, Richard.

00:42:10.080 --> 00:42:14.350 align:middle line:84%
And first, thanks to Richard
for organizing all of this.

00:42:14.350 --> 00:42:15.120 align:middle line:90%
So I'm Dan Krutz.

00:42:15.120 --> 00:42:18.060 align:middle line:84%
I'm an assistant professor
at the Rochester Institute

00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:20.190 align:middle line:90%
of Technology.

00:42:20.190 --> 00:42:22.110 align:middle line:84%
I'll be the first to
say, by background,

00:42:22.110 --> 00:42:26.790 align:middle line:84%
I'm not an accessibility
expert by any means.

00:42:26.790 --> 00:42:29.135 align:middle line:84%
I am a software
engineering expert.

00:42:29.135 --> 00:42:31.260 align:middle line:84%
And when I started thinking
about a couple of years

00:42:31.260 --> 00:42:35.790 align:middle line:84%
ago was how to actually make it
so folks who aren't necessarily

00:42:35.790 --> 00:42:37.670 align:middle line:90%
accessibility experts--

00:42:37.670 --> 00:42:40.950 align:middle line:84%
how they can include
appropriate educational material

00:42:40.950 --> 00:42:44.400 align:middle line:84%
in their courses,
in their curriculum,

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.710 align:middle line:84%
especially a lot of
institutions that might not

00:42:46.710 --> 00:42:51.720 align:middle line:84%
have the resources to have an
entire major or even a course

00:42:51.720 --> 00:42:54.420 align:middle line:90%
focused on accessibility.

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:58.080 align:middle line:84%
And so one of my objectives
behind a project I'm working on

00:42:58.080 --> 00:43:01.350 align:middle line:84%
is how to make it so folks
without the resources,

00:43:01.350 --> 00:43:04.980 align:middle line:84%
without the background
can at least include

00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:07.860 align:middle line:84%
some material
regarding accessibility

00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:10.390 align:middle line:90%
into their curriculum.

00:43:10.390 --> 00:43:11.867 align:middle line:84%
So I'll start off
by saying anybody

00:43:11.867 --> 00:43:14.500 align:middle line:84%
who has created software
knows that creating software

00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:15.890 align:middle line:90%
is not easy.

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It's really hard to create
software that's on time,

00:43:18.740 --> 00:43:20.750 align:middle line:90%
on budget, high quality.

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And there's many
important criteria

00:43:23.740 --> 00:43:25.990 align:middle line:84%
that we need to consider
when developing software.

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So things like security,
extensibility, testability--

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all of these things are
incredibly important.

00:43:32.265 --> 00:43:35.860 align:middle line:84%
But one of the things that's
not frequently spoke about

00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:40.750 align:middle line:84%
is how accessibility is equally
important in creating software.

00:43:40.750 --> 00:43:43.460 align:middle line:84%
So it is something that we
all know needs to be covered.

00:43:43.460 --> 00:43:45.100 align:middle line:90%
So how do we cover that?

00:43:45.100 --> 00:43:48.360 align:middle line:90%
Next slide, please.

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So accessibility,
as we all know,

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should be at the forefront
of the developer's mindset.

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And how do we demonstrate
this to students?

00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.660 align:middle line:84%
How do we make students aware
that creating accessible

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software is not something they
need to do to check a box,

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or they do it
because they have to?

00:44:05.310 --> 00:44:06.840 align:middle line:84%
How do we get them
excited about it?

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.790 align:middle line:84%
How do we actually
make them aware

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that it really is important?

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So next slide.

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So the first thing you can
do is you can tell students

00:44:15.890 --> 00:44:16.953 align:middle line:90%
that it's important.

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And if you're anything
like me, students

00:44:18.620 --> 00:44:20.240 align:middle line:90%
hinge on your every word.

00:44:20.240 --> 00:44:22.970 align:middle line:84%
They're on their edge of
their seat in their classes.

00:44:22.970 --> 00:44:26.070 align:middle line:84%
They're incredibly
excited all the time.

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But for some folks,
that might not work.

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So another option is to
actually demonstrate the need

00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:34.213 align:middle line:90%
to create accessible software.

00:44:34.213 --> 00:44:35.880 align:middle line:84%
And there's a couple
of ways to do that.

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One way I've been focusing
on in some of my tools

00:44:38.570 --> 00:44:40.100 align:middle line:90%
is creating empathy.

00:44:40.100 --> 00:44:42.890 align:middle line:90%
So next slide, please.

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So first I'll say, truly
experiencing a disability is

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quite impossible.

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You cannot emulate what a person
who is deaf or colorblind would

00:44:53.830 --> 00:44:55.010 align:middle line:90%
actually experience.

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So our objective is to get it
as reasonably close as possible

00:44:58.540 --> 00:45:02.110 align:middle line:84%
and do a reasonably good job
demonstrating it to the user.

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So one example of
empathy-creating material

00:45:04.600 --> 00:45:08.260 align:middle line:84%
in our tools would be to
demonstrate that experience

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to the user as reasonably
close as possible.

00:45:11.690 --> 00:45:15.460 align:middle line:84%
So what we might
do to demonstrate

00:45:15.460 --> 00:45:19.000 align:middle line:84%
what a user with maybe
a form of blindness

00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.170 align:middle line:84%
might experience
the page would be--

00:45:21.170 --> 00:45:23.320 align:middle line:84%
is we would first
ask the student

00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.210 align:middle line:90%
to interact with a web page.

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And we'd show them a basic web
page, as is shown on the left.

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Then we would turn on an
accessibility emulation feature

00:45:35.890 --> 00:45:38.580 align:middle line:84%
that would make the page
appear reasonably as it would

00:45:38.580 --> 00:45:43.023 align:middle line:84%
to somebody who was blind or
had a certain form of blindness.

00:45:43.023 --> 00:45:44.440 align:middle line:84%
And as you can see
from the right,

00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:45.910 align:middle line:90%
that page is very blurry.

00:45:45.910 --> 00:45:48.320 align:middle line:84%
It'd be really hard
to interact with.

00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.920 align:middle line:84%
And so by doing this,
we're demonstrating

00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:56.020 align:middle line:84%
how it is difficult for a
user with accessibility needs

00:45:56.020 --> 00:46:00.250 align:middle line:84%
to interact with a web page or,
really, any piece of software

00:46:00.250 --> 00:46:03.130 align:middle line:84%
when it's not created in
an accessible fashion.

00:46:03.130 --> 00:46:05.860 align:middle line:90%
So next page.

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So one of the
recent publications

00:46:07.410 --> 00:46:11.160 align:middle line:84%
we had at ICSE-SEET was we
found that creating empathy

00:46:11.160 --> 00:46:13.410 align:middle line:84%
for users with
accessibility challenges

00:46:13.410 --> 00:46:16.680 align:middle line:84%
is really important for
accessibility education.

00:46:16.680 --> 00:46:19.350 align:middle line:84%
So we found that students
pay more attention

00:46:19.350 --> 00:46:24.822 align:middle line:84%
to the educational
components of the activity

00:46:24.822 --> 00:46:28.050 align:middle line:84%
when we create some
empathy with them.

00:46:28.050 --> 00:46:30.420 align:middle line:84%
Students see the need for
creating accessible software

00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:32.070 align:middle line:90%
as being much more important.

00:46:32.070 --> 00:46:33.630 align:middle line:84%
And at the end of
the day, students

00:46:33.630 --> 00:46:37.080 align:middle line:84%
are more interested in the
topic of accessibility.

00:46:37.080 --> 00:46:39.630 align:middle line:90%
Next slide, please.

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So the question is how to
actually create empathy.

00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:44.510 align:middle line:84%
And one of the things
we are working around--

00:46:44.510 --> 00:46:46.640 align:middle line:84%
and I'll credit Richard
with this statement--

00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:49.880 align:middle line:84%
is, how do you create empathy
and not pity for the user?

00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:55.670 align:middle line:84%
And that's not something
that's trivial to determine.

00:46:55.670 --> 00:46:58.940 align:middle line:84%
Some of the ways we create
empathy in our activities

00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:02.450 align:middle line:84%
is we have testimonials
from real people about how

00:47:02.450 --> 00:47:05.210 align:middle line:84%
inaccessible software
has impacted them.

00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:09.068 align:middle line:84%
So one example we have is a
student who is colorblind.

00:47:09.068 --> 00:47:10.610 align:middle line:84%
And they talk about
how they've tried

00:47:10.610 --> 00:47:13.280 align:middle line:84%
to use software that is
inaccessible to users

00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.860 align:middle line:84%
who are colorblind and
how frustrating it is.

00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.530 align:middle line:84%
We do the same thing
with deaf students,

00:47:18.530 --> 00:47:22.450 align:middle line:84%
where they might talk about
how software that's not created

00:47:22.450 --> 00:47:25.190 align:middle line:84%
in an accessible fashion
to them has adversely

00:47:25.190 --> 00:47:27.200 align:middle line:90%
impacted their experience.

00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:29.780 align:middle line:84%
And then like I
demonstrated a minute ago,

00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:33.440 align:middle line:84%
we have tools that do
a reasonably close job

00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:39.470 align:middle line:84%
to emulating existing
software to appear as it would

00:47:39.470 --> 00:47:43.010 align:middle line:84%
to somebody who may have
an accessibility challenge.

00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:45.870 align:middle line:90%
So next slide.

00:47:45.870 --> 00:47:48.430 align:middle line:90%
So next slide, one more.

00:47:48.430 --> 00:47:52.830 align:middle line:84%
So one of the sets of tools
that we've been creating

00:47:52.830 --> 00:47:54.900 align:middle line:84%
are the Accessibility
Learning Labs.

00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:57.480 align:middle line:84%
So the objective
behind these tools

00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:00.720 align:middle line:84%
is to make it as easy as
possible for instructors

00:48:00.720 --> 00:48:04.830 align:middle line:84%
to include an accessibility
component in their curriculum.

00:48:04.830 --> 00:48:09.150 align:middle line:84%
And these tools are
designed for courses ranging

00:48:09.150 --> 00:48:13.380 align:middle line:84%
from CS1-level classes and even
high school courses all the way

00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:17.310 align:middle line:84%
to a graduate class,
maybe, on web design or UI

00:48:17.310 --> 00:48:20.880 align:middle line:84%
design or, heck, even a
project management class.

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.330 align:middle line:84%
These are designed to
make the participant

00:48:24.330 --> 00:48:28.470 align:middle line:84%
aware of some foundational
best practices for creating

00:48:28.470 --> 00:48:30.130 align:middle line:90%
accessible software.

00:48:30.130 --> 00:48:32.760 align:middle line:84%
But most importantly
in my mind, it's

00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.060 align:middle line:84%
to have the participant walk
away from the activity saying,

00:48:36.060 --> 00:48:37.690 align:middle line:90%
accessibility is important.

00:48:37.690 --> 00:48:39.750 align:middle line:84%
I need to make sure
that I'm focusing

00:48:39.750 --> 00:48:41.450 align:middle line:90%
on that in what I'm creating.

00:48:41.450 --> 00:48:43.662 align:middle line:84%
It could be the project
manager understanding

00:48:43.662 --> 00:48:45.120 align:middle line:84%
that when a developer
says, hey, we

00:48:45.120 --> 00:48:47.760 align:middle line:84%
need to spend these extra time
and resources making sure it's

00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.310 align:middle line:84%
accessible, the project
manager says, yes,

00:48:50.310 --> 00:48:52.060 align:middle line:90%
I understand why it's needed.

00:48:52.060 --> 00:48:53.910 align:middle line:84%
Let's devote those
resources to it.

00:48:53.910 --> 00:48:56.610 align:middle line:84%
Or it could be the student
understanding programming

00:48:56.610 --> 00:48:59.100 align:middle line:84%
for the first time, knowing
that this is something

00:48:59.100 --> 00:49:02.250 align:middle line:84%
that should be baked into the
software development project

00:49:02.250 --> 00:49:07.560 align:middle line:84%
right from the get-go, like
I believe Paula mentioned.

00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:09.750 align:middle line:84%
And so all these
materials are publicly

00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:14.370 align:middle line:84%
available on our project
website at all.rit.edu.

00:49:14.370 --> 00:49:15.990 align:middle line:84%
I'll be the first
to mention that I

00:49:15.990 --> 00:49:18.060 align:middle line:84%
think we have one
or two labs that

00:49:18.060 --> 00:49:20.100 align:middle line:90%
are publicly available now.

00:49:20.100 --> 00:49:24.450 align:middle line:84%
But we are working on more labs
that will be easily adoptable.

00:49:24.450 --> 00:49:25.500 align:middle line:90%
So next slide, please.

00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:28.470 align:middle line:90%


00:49:28.470 --> 00:49:31.110 align:middle line:84%
So some of the topics that
we're focusing on early on

00:49:31.110 --> 00:49:33.240 align:middle line:84%
are vision-related
accessibility challenges,

00:49:33.240 --> 00:49:35.520 align:middle line:90%
like color blindness, hearing.

00:49:35.520 --> 00:49:38.490 align:middle line:84%
We have a very large population
of deaf hard-of-hearing

00:49:38.490 --> 00:49:42.540 align:middle line:84%
students at RIT because we are
home to the National Technical

00:49:42.540 --> 00:49:44.560 align:middle line:90%
Institute for the Deaf--

00:49:44.560 --> 00:49:49.170 align:middle line:84%
some other vision issues as
far as blindness, dexterity,

00:49:49.170 --> 00:49:52.380 align:middle line:84%
and cognitive challenges
for participants.

00:49:52.380 --> 00:49:54.640 align:middle line:90%
So next slide, please.

00:49:54.640 --> 00:49:59.640 align:middle line:84%
And so this material is becoming
available on our project

00:49:59.640 --> 00:50:02.580 align:middle line:90%
website at all.rit.edu.

00:50:02.580 --> 00:50:06.360 align:middle line:84%
We are looking for collaborators
and adopters for this material.

00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:08.280 align:middle line:90%
It is entirely web-based.

00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.790 align:middle line:84%
So everything from the lecture
slides to the YouTube videos

00:50:11.790 --> 00:50:13.380 align:middle line:90%
to the actual activities--

00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:15.840 align:middle line:90%
you only need a web browser.

00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.230 align:middle line:84%
And I think some of us may
be doing some online teaching

00:50:19.230 --> 00:50:21.270 align:middle line:84%
over the summer
and over the fall.

00:50:21.270 --> 00:50:24.750 align:middle line:84%
So obviously, this is something
that folks can definitely

00:50:24.750 --> 00:50:26.160 align:middle line:90%
benefit from.

00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:28.410 align:middle line:84%
Even if you don't
know much about maybe

00:50:28.410 --> 00:50:33.660 align:middle line:84%
a certain accessibility
topic, like colorblindness,

00:50:33.660 --> 00:50:37.830 align:middle line:84%
these materials are designed so
that you can easily incorporate

00:50:37.830 --> 00:50:39.030 align:middle line:90%
these into your classroom.

00:50:39.030 --> 00:50:41.220 align:middle line:84%
And then we are
providing everything

00:50:41.220 --> 00:50:44.520 align:middle line:84%
that you would need to
provide to your students

00:50:44.520 --> 00:50:47.160 align:middle line:90%
to conduct these activities.

00:50:47.160 --> 00:50:50.790 align:middle line:84%
So like I said, we are looking
for adopters and collaborators.

00:50:50.790 --> 00:50:53.580 align:middle line:84%
And the nice thing is, early
on, we can build to suit.

00:50:53.580 --> 00:50:55.830 align:middle line:84%
So if there are certain
things that you'd like to see,

00:50:55.830 --> 00:50:57.372 align:middle line:84%
there's a good chance
we can actually

00:50:57.372 --> 00:50:59.290 align:middle line:90%
build that into the activities.

00:50:59.290 --> 00:50:59.790 align:middle line:90%
All right.

00:50:59.790 --> 00:51:00.707 align:middle line:90%
So thank you, Richard.

00:51:00.707 --> 00:51:03.953 align:middle line:90%


00:51:03.953 --> 00:51:04.870 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Great.

00:51:04.870 --> 00:51:06.190 align:middle line:90%
Thank you, all of you.

00:51:06.190 --> 00:51:11.500 align:middle line:84%
That was a fantastic sequence
of different approaches

00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:13.390 align:middle line:90%
to teaching accessibility.

00:51:13.390 --> 00:51:18.325 align:middle line:84%
And I'm going to ask
Brianna to come back on.

00:51:18.325 --> 00:51:19.520 align:middle line:90%
Are you there?

00:51:19.520 --> 00:51:20.353 align:middle line:90%
BRIANNA BLASER: Yep.

00:51:20.353 --> 00:51:21.210 align:middle line:90%
I'm here.

00:51:21.210 --> 00:51:22.390 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER: Have you
been following the questions

00:51:22.390 --> 00:51:24.410 align:middle line:84%
so that we can
cover some of those?

00:51:24.410 --> 00:51:25.630 align:middle line:90%
We have about 10 minutes.

00:51:25.630 --> 00:51:26.505 align:middle line:90%
BRIANNA BLASER: Yeah.

00:51:26.505 --> 00:51:29.890 align:middle line:84%
So some folks have entered
some questions into the--

00:51:29.890 --> 00:51:31.882 align:middle line:90%
if you use the Q&A tool.

00:51:31.882 --> 00:51:34.090 align:middle line:84%
And there are some that
folks have answered in there.

00:51:34.090 --> 00:51:35.480 align:middle line:84%
And we can elaborate
on those in a minute.

00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.710 align:middle line:84%
But there's one for the
panel to address as a whole

00:51:37.710 --> 00:51:39.627 align:middle line:84%
that I think would be a
great question to hear

00:51:39.627 --> 00:51:42.010 align:middle line:90%
what you folks have to say.

00:51:42.010 --> 00:51:43.660 align:middle line:90%
Robert Domanski asks, hi.

00:51:43.660 --> 00:51:45.700 align:middle line:84%
I'm curious to know if
any of the panelists

00:51:45.700 --> 00:51:47.980 align:middle line:84%
have been able to gain
adoption of these practices

00:51:47.980 --> 00:51:49.930 align:middle line:84%
from their departmental
colleagues.

00:51:49.930 --> 00:51:51.550 align:middle line:84%
And if so, what
strategies were most

00:51:51.550 --> 00:51:55.120 align:middle line:90%
effective in persuading them?

00:51:55.120 --> 00:51:57.370 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER: Would anybody
like to start with that?

00:51:57.370 --> 00:51:58.255 align:middle line:90%
Anat or Leah?

00:51:58.255 --> 00:52:03.160 align:middle line:90%


00:52:03.160 --> 00:52:04.378 align:middle line:90%
AMY KO: If not, I can start.

00:52:04.378 --> 00:52:05.170 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: OK.

00:52:05.170 --> 00:52:06.730 align:middle line:90%
Go ahead, Amy.

00:52:06.730 --> 00:52:08.980 align:middle line:90%
AMY KO: Sure.

00:52:08.980 --> 00:52:10.510 align:middle line:90%
The answer is a yes and a no.

00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:14.380 align:middle line:84%
So the no is I haven't
been able to convince

00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:21.120 align:middle line:84%
any of my colleagues at my rank
or above to change anything.

00:52:21.120 --> 00:52:23.620 align:middle line:84%
And this includes colleagues
that actually are accessibility

00:52:23.620 --> 00:52:26.070 align:middle line:84%
experts, such as my colleague
Jake [? Wolbrock, ?] who

00:52:26.070 --> 00:52:28.570 align:middle line:84%
I'm going to call out for not
ever teaching an accessibility

00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:31.153 align:middle line:84%
course in the Information School
because he keeps [? buying ?]

00:52:31.153 --> 00:52:33.280 align:middle line:90%
[? out of ?] courses instead.

00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:34.615 align:middle line:90%
We're busy, right?

00:52:34.615 --> 00:52:36.490 align:middle line:84%
It's a hard thing to
convince busy colleagues

00:52:36.490 --> 00:52:39.550 align:middle line:84%
to do new things and to change
the way that they teach.

00:52:39.550 --> 00:52:41.290 align:middle line:84%
The only success
that I've had is

00:52:41.290 --> 00:52:43.120 align:middle line:84%
changing the behavior
of colleagues

00:52:43.120 --> 00:52:45.010 align:middle line:90%
that are below me in rank.

00:52:45.010 --> 00:52:47.890 align:middle line:84%
So I happen to be
the program chair

00:52:47.890 --> 00:52:49.250 align:middle line:90%
for our undergraduate program.

00:52:49.250 --> 00:52:51.880 align:middle line:84%
And so I essentially told all
of our teaching track faculty,

00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:53.180 align:middle line:90%
we're going to do this.

00:52:53.180 --> 00:52:55.000 align:middle line:90%
And they did it.

00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.670 align:middle line:84%
And it wasn't so much
an authoritarian move.

00:52:57.670 --> 00:52:59.380 align:middle line:84%
It was much more
like, let me explain

00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:00.900 align:middle line:90%
to you why this is important.

00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:02.920 align:middle line:84%
Let's brainstorm
together about ways

00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.740 align:middle line:84%
of implementing this in a way
that's sustainable and usable

00:53:05.740 --> 00:53:07.130 align:middle line:84%
and built into
our infrastructure

00:53:07.130 --> 00:53:08.710 align:middle line:90%
so we don't lose it.

00:53:08.710 --> 00:53:10.930 align:middle line:84%
So it was just a project
that we did together.

00:53:10.930 --> 00:53:13.410 align:middle line:84%
But that was the effective
strategy in my case--

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was just using my power.

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[INTERPOSING VOICES]

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DANIEL KRUTZ: So I kind
of flipped that, Amy.

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And I'll say, I'm a third-year
tenure track person.

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So I have no power at all.

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So I was able to implement
some of my material

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into our CS2
curriculum, which has

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like 350 students a
semester, I would say.

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And we do have a department
that is very focused

00:53:41.200 --> 00:53:44.110 align:middle line:90%
on accessibility.

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And so I would say
that's fortunate for us.

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The way I was able to do
it was, frankly, I said,

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here's how easy it is to
include it in your curriculum.

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And you don't need
to do anything.

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And so everybody's super busy
in their classes, especially

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the average CS1, CS2 course.

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So how can we make it as easy
as possible for an adopter

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and have an activity
that maybe somebody can

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do in 20 to 30 minutes--

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so something that doesn't take
a lot of time or resources

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by the adopter?

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So I think a lot of
times, we need to flip it

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and actually say, here's
what we can do for you, not--

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I don't know if this is
the right way to put it--

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what can you do for us, type
of thing, like in the sense of,

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include accessibility to
do it because you have to.

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But hey, here's what's in
it for you, type of thing.

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So yeah, Amy and I-- we're
on polar opposites, I think.

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I'm on the other
end of the spectrum.

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AMY KO: I had really
different strategies when

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I was an assistant professor.

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You're totally right.

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BRIANNA BLASER: Great.

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There were also some
questions-- does anybody else

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want to address that?

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LEAH FINDLATER: I
was just going to say

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that I'm lucky to be
in a department that's

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really supportive of
including accessibility

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content in things.

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And I got to teach
this whole course.

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And since I introduced this
course in my department,

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we had another
[? lecture ?] introduced,

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an undergraduate
fewer-credit-hour course

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that includes a bunch of
accessibility content.

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And I'm hoping to
introduce a course that's

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five credit hours for
undergraduates as well.

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So that's my next challenge.

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And then after that is
making these courses part

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of the required components
of the degree programs.

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PAULA Gabbert: Yeah.

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And I was just going to add
that curriculum redevelopment

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and restructuring is
always an opportunity

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to introduce these ideas.

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And as computer
scientists, we're

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constantly looking at curriculum
because our discipline

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is so dynamic.

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So I think that just
having those conversations

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on a regular basis provides
you that opportunity

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to explore these ideas.

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And you can be
that voice, I would

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hope at no matter what
rank you are, just

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in terms of introducing that
idea in those conversations.

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RICHARD LADNER:
Anything else there?

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A couple of questions--

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Brianna, do we have
a chat window where

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we can put the links, for
example, to the video?

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BRIANNA BLASER: Yeah.

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I have answered some
of them in the Q&A.

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And I think that I will put
that in the chat as well.

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RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

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Thanks.

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Somebody asked for that.

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One question that came up
is for both Leah and Anat.

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How big are your teams
for your projects?

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ANAT CASPI: I can address that.

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I used to be of the mind that
anywhere between two and four

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is a good number.

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But I've recently settled
on three, especially

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for our most recent offering,
which was entirely virtual.

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And I found that it would
be really difficult to take

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on the kinds of projects
in just a two-person team--

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the kinds of projects that
we intend for them to take.

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But at the same
time, a group of four

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was just too decentralized
and hard to manage.

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So we have generally
preferred teams of three.

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And I'll let Leah respond.

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LEAH FINDLATER: Right.

00:57:21.340 --> 00:57:23.270 align:middle line:90%
OK, thanks.

00:57:23.270 --> 00:57:24.560 align:middle line:90%
I say max four.

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And we've had teams
from two to four.

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I'd say part of that is
that part of the reason why

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I go for four as
opposed to two or three,

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which I think would be good for
making sure that everyone is

00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.100 align:middle line:84%
really involved
in the project, is

00:57:43.100 --> 00:57:45.290 align:middle line:84%
partly because I'm trying
to offset this burden

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on the participants.

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And if we have teams
of three or four,

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then we don't have to recruit as
many participants in any given

00:57:52.370 --> 00:57:52.940 align:middle line:90%
quarter.

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And it still gives
all of the students

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a reasonable amount of
exposure and effort level.

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So it's trade-offs.

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RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.150 align:middle line:90%
Thank you.

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It was mentioned on the question
and answer-- somebody actually

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gave an answer that
the W3C does have

00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:17.120 align:middle line:84%
curriculum for accessibility
on their website.

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So that's another
place to look as well.

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And I believe there are links
to those from the Teach Access

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website and from
AccessComputing as well.

00:58:26.300 --> 00:58:28.970 align:middle line:90%


00:58:28.970 --> 00:58:31.490 align:middle line:84%
Somebody mentioned the
real-time captions.

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People might not realize this
was not automatic captioning.

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It wasn't speech recognition.

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But we actually had a
human at the other end.

00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.060 align:middle line:84%
And I'm sure
everybody thanks that

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human for doing such a great
job with the captioning.

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Anat, thank you.

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You mentioned the contract
that you had with students

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in the capstone course.

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Do you have any
examples or pointers

00:58:56.960 --> 00:59:01.890 align:middle line:84%
that you might be willing to
share with others about the--

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ANAT CASPI: Yeah.

00:59:02.630 --> 00:59:05.620 align:middle line:90%
So I'm perfectly happy to share.

00:59:05.620 --> 00:59:08.360 align:middle line:84%
I never actually thought
of that as something

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.490 align:middle line:90%
that we ought to share widely.

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But it certainly could be while
redacting the names and things.

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I think teams have come up
with very appropriate ways

00:59:19.790 --> 00:59:23.990 align:middle line:84%
of addressing some
of the questions

00:59:23.990 --> 00:59:26.150 align:middle line:84%
that Leah had pointed
to in terms of,

00:59:26.150 --> 00:59:29.930 align:middle line:84%
how do we get needs experts
to engage with our teams

00:59:29.930 --> 00:59:34.040 align:middle line:84%
while at the same time not
burdening them and achieving

00:59:34.040 --> 00:59:36.830 align:middle line:84%
that understanding of, how
often will we communicate?

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What level of communication?

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What are the expectations
from different team members?

00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:45.250 align:middle line:84%
All of those things are asked
of students and their team

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codesigners to spell
out in the beginning

00:59:48.470 --> 00:59:51.710 align:middle line:84%
of the course in
order for them to have

00:59:51.710 --> 00:59:53.390 align:middle line:90%
that conversation, basically.

00:59:53.390 --> 00:59:57.380 align:middle line:84%
The contract itself is probably
never read after it's signed.

00:59:57.380 --> 01:00:01.010 align:middle line:84%
But just having that discourse
about, what are the terms,

01:00:01.010 --> 01:00:07.220 align:middle line:84%
is the important point
in that assignment.

01:00:07.220 --> 01:00:08.900 align:middle line:84%
RICHARD LADNER:
Somebody asked, do you

01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:11.600 align:middle line:84%
have suggestions on how
to teach accessibility

01:00:11.600 --> 01:00:16.917 align:middle line:84%
in informal contexts as
opposed to the classroom?

01:00:16.917 --> 01:00:19.250 align:middle line:84%
And I know, Anat, you're
involved with that quite a bit.

01:00:19.250 --> 01:00:21.870 align:middle line:90%


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ANAT CASPI: I think
one of the forms

01:00:24.930 --> 01:00:30.030 align:middle line:84%
is just through advocacy,
much like Amy had discussed.

01:00:30.030 --> 01:00:33.120 align:middle line:84%
Taking on the
accessibility lenses

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:37.740 align:middle line:90%
can become a part of life.

01:00:37.740 --> 01:00:41.910 align:middle line:84%
And it's all about how
often and to what degree

01:00:41.910 --> 01:00:45.150 align:middle line:84%
you can strategically
work within the community

01:00:45.150 --> 01:00:50.470 align:middle line:84%
in order to promote
that accessibility lens.

01:00:50.470 --> 01:00:53.970 align:middle line:84%
And so in the past, with
Richard, for example,

01:00:53.970 --> 01:00:59.760 align:middle line:84%
we've done informal workshops
on accessibility lens taking

01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.570 align:middle line:90%
to AI and things like that.

01:01:01.570 --> 01:01:03.210 align:middle line:84%
So that's a
semi-formal, I guess,

01:01:03.210 --> 01:01:08.070 align:middle line:84%
because it is an organized
event but doesn't take part

01:01:08.070 --> 01:01:11.500 align:middle line:84%
in a course format or
anything like that.

01:01:11.500 --> 01:01:14.970 align:middle line:84%
But I think largely,
the kinds of activities

01:01:14.970 --> 01:01:17.340 align:middle line:84%
that we have engaged
in are actually

01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:19.710 align:middle line:84%
going into the
community and serving

01:01:19.710 --> 01:01:24.630 align:middle line:84%
on community panels
and other areas

01:01:24.630 --> 01:01:29.920 align:middle line:84%
where accessibility might be
seen as a marginal element,

01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:35.010 align:middle line:84%
let's say pedestrian and bike
access committees, things

01:01:35.010 --> 01:01:39.630 align:middle line:84%
like that, where you can
promote the needs of people

01:01:39.630 --> 01:01:42.820 align:middle line:84%
who require accessibility
features in the environment.

01:01:42.820 --> 01:01:45.870 align:middle line:84%
But at the same time, that's
not a formal conversation

01:01:45.870 --> 01:01:49.380 align:middle line:90%
or a legal process per se.

01:01:49.380 --> 01:01:50.970 align:middle line:90%
That's been my take on it.

01:01:50.970 --> 01:01:54.110 align:middle line:90%
But I'm happy to hear others.

01:01:54.110 --> 01:01:55.860 align:middle line:84%
BRIANNA BLASER: I was
going to say, at UW,

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:57.757 align:middle line:84%
there's a student
group called HuskyADAPT

01:01:57.757 --> 01:01:59.340 align:middle line:84%
that I know you've
been involved with,

01:01:59.340 --> 01:02:02.820 align:middle line:84%
Anat, too that does
things like toy hacking

01:02:02.820 --> 01:02:03.900 align:middle line:90%
and that kind of stuff.

01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:06.060 align:middle line:84%
And I'm going to drop
a link to a webinar

01:02:06.060 --> 01:02:07.830 align:middle line:84%
where we had some
folks from HuskyADAPT

01:02:07.830 --> 01:02:11.260 align:middle line:90%
join us and talk about that.

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:14.200 align:middle line:90%
RICHARD LADNER: Yeah.

01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:16.920 align:middle line:84%
I would like to say
that our time is up.

01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:23.350 align:middle line:84%
And we're going to stop
the recording right now.